[Genericuser1]

I would expect $35k which is comparable to the Golf R and STI. I would also expect north of 350 hp as the base 2.3 in the Mustang makes 306 and this has a larger turbo, much larger intercooler and bigger exhaust among other things.

Even if it's under 350hp Ford will sell you factory backed tunes and parts to get you higher. You will see 400hp out of this, going to be a beast.

If my car gives me any trouble I could go back to a hatch.

[KingOfJericho]

The Golf R is significantly more refined so I think at the same price point this would fail. However, I think it'll start around $31-32k, right where it belongs.

[fcman]

Originally Posted by KingOfJericho

The Golf R is significantly more refined so I think at the same price point this would fail. However, I think it'll start around $31-32k, right where it belongs.

If the Golf R was as good a performer as cars like the Evo and STI I would agree. But that isn't the case and this car should perform better than all 3 based on the specs.
The Golf R is more luxury per dollar, the Focus is more performance per dollar.

[DocWeatherington]

Originally Posted by E92LNGCGY

I think you are right in saying the Golf R will be more refined compared to the RS. The Golf is a great car to begin with and VW added spice and made the R. RS as you say will probably be more focused for hard driving. VW will respond with the Golf R400 which they shown as a concept.

Having said that Mercedes facelifted A45 will most likely get around 375 hp. Then Audi RS3 will probably get a "plus" version and carrying the same motor as the Golf R400. This is an epic power wars in the hot hatch segment. If only BMW would stuff the upcoming M2 engine into their 1 series hatch. Finally if all these Euro hatches would come to North America that would be a bonus.

Yeah I think BMW will respond, they can't let everyone play an not get in the market.

I think we are bonding...

What are in Canada are you in?

[E92LNGCGY]

Originally Posted by DocWeatherington

Yeah I think BMW will respond, they can't let everyone play an not get in the market.

I think we are bonding...

What are in Canada are you in?

Alberta Canada

[Blksnowflake]

Originally Posted by DocWeatherington

Yeah I am thinking the Ford probably is goanna be a bit more raw. Probably better on the track . But, when you look at what it's based upon vs the Golf, I think the Golf will be more refined as a daily driver.

The question is how will VW Respond.

Agreed and no I won't be trading the F80 in for either.

They won't. They didn't respond to the Evo or STI or CLA AMG...they will just keep sending us neutered performance cars. I mean even the looks of the new Golf R = yawn. The last ten looked a bit more aggressive, in fact VWs whole line up is looking very sterile, it's like they are taking all design or stylyng form their line up.
Audi won't bring the gotdamn RS3 Avant over to the US and the S3 sedan is way more luxury than raw performance.

Ford is stepping it up and this will force Subaru to step up. Mitsubishi let the Evo die and Ford looks like they're playing for keeps, your move Subaru.

Go Ford.

[curlyfrieS4]

Take my money! Starting to round up my pennies and possibly put a down payment on this thing. Would be a nice daily driver. Hoping its in the 30k range(a boy can dream)...

[DocWeatherington]

Originally Posted by E92LNGCGY

Alberta Canada

I hear that is Gods country in the warmer months. Hell in the winter

[DocWeatherington]

Originally Posted by Blksnowflake

They won't. They didn't respond to the Evo or STI or CLA AMG...they will just keep sending us neutered performance cars. I mean even the looks of the new Golf R = yawn. The last ten looked a bit more aggressive, in fact VWs whole line up is looking very sterile, it's like they are taking all design or stylyng form their line up.
Audi won't bring the gotdamn RS3 Avant over to the US and the S3 sedan is way more luxury than raw performance.

Ford is stepping it up and this will force Subaru to step up. Mitsubishi let the Evo die and Ford looks like they're playing for keeps, your move Subaru.

Go Ford.

Bmw could use Mini.. It actually would be an awesome move for the brand. The current gen Mini has great bones, and not like BMW/Mini doesn't have the talent to blow up the segment.

[E92LNGCGY]

Originally Posted by DocWeatherington

I hear that is Gods country in the warmer months. Hell in the winter

Winters here are not too bad we do get cold spell here and there. Summers are awesome but a bit too short to be honest.

You should come up here for an experience if you haven't already.

[damnitBobby]

I would definitely buy this over a Mustang GT simply b/c not everyone and their teenage daughter will be driving a Focus RS (big nod to the 6-speed only specification!)

I'm sure this will be priced competitively in the same ballpark as the STI and Golf R so like mid-$30's

I conjecture that this will perform better than the Golf R considering it will have "well over 315 horsepower."

The 6-speed manual is the best news in my opinion! Only thing to be concerned about would be curb weight; the Focus ST weighs 3,234 lbs (according to C&D scales).

[WVUDrJay]

With those specs what will price be?

[DocWeatherington]

Originally Posted by E92LNGCGY

Winters here are not too bad we do get cold spell here and there. Summers are awesome but a bit too short to be honest.

You should come up here for an experience if you haven't already.

We can road trip the M

[TXSTYLE]

This car in a Burnt Orange with Black Polished Wheels... Hott.

[BMW269]

[Year's_End]

Originally Posted by fcman

If this thing is that cheap it will literally fly off the lots.

Yeah, 35k would be a reasonable starting price. I bet it gets to be around the better side of 40k when optioned out.

It probably has a lot of standard equipment that an ST3 would have, and that car stickers at 27k.

[mkoesel]

This car is why there is no chance BMW will waste time trying to reengineer UKL for RWD for the next generation entry level M cars. The competition is mastering the transverse AWD layout (Mitsubishi has been doing it for years after all) and building some amazing products so no one is going to want to pay the tax for RWD sedans/hatchbacks anymore anyway.

I would still go with the Golf R vs. this Focus RS though - I just can't give up my DCT.

[TXSTYLE]

Originally Posted by mkoesel

This car is why there is no chance BMW will waste time trying to reengineer UKL for RWD for the next generation entry level M cars. The competition is mastering the transverse AWD layout (Mitsubishi has been doing it for years after all) and building some amazing products so no one is going to want to pay the tax for RWD sedans/hatchbacks anymore anyway.

I would still go with the Golf R vs. this Focus RS though - I just can't give up my DCT.

This.

Manual = History (at least for me)

[Red Bread]

That's fine, thankfully those of us that want manuals are still getting thrown a few quality bones. Focus RS, Cayman GT4, etc.

[Holset]

Nice!

[Slops]

I would actually wait to compare the RS with the new SRT 4 banger from dodge... because if its anything like the hellcat, it may blow anything close to it out of the water in terms of hp... Seems like the HP wars are here, and now with AWD.

I know this is only a render, but if its anything close to this i'd be willing to compare it with the RS

[hangover]

Focus RS - Built in Germany