[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by gblansten

Solar appeals to me for non-environmental reasons.

Color me shocked

Originally Posted by gblansten

Are you against solar as always a grift? Combined with a couple of Tesla Powerwalls it would be great especially during outages.

I'm all for technologies that save resources and have a ROI. That is why I live in a super insulated house with geothermal HVAC. Our Shop is highly insulated and geo thermal HVAC. The best way to save energy is not to waste it.
The money spent on the green grift could have been spent on saving energy and building safe nuclear power plants. Sadly those options don't allow tax payers to be defrauded enough.

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Color me shocked

I'm all for technologies that save resources and have a ROI. That is why I live in a super insulated house with geothermal HVAC. Our Shop is highly insulated and geo thermal HVAC. The best way to save energy is not to waste it.
The money spent on the green grift could have been spent on saving energy and building safe nuclear power plants. Sadly those options don't allow tax payers to be defrauded enough.

As a kidney doctor I am naturally in favor of geothermal. It’s like the loops of Henle.

I’m still interested in solar aside from and completely removed from any tax shenanigans or subsidy issues.

[Lady Jane]

Okay. In order to save the planet I will stand here and freeze to death until my eco car is charged. By then, I might remember where I'm going.

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by Lady Jane

Okay. In order to save the planet I will stand here and freeze to death until my eco car is charged. By then, I might remember where I'm going.


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Waiting for BMW's first 3-bagger Electric Sport Tourer the iK15.500kWh. Ride 80 miles and charge for an hour.

[Llarry]

I can't vouch for these numbers, but they are thought-provoking.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Llarry

I can't vouch for these numbers, but they are thought-provoking.

Thank you for your input Llarry, I have yet to see or hear from any environmentalists in relation to these figures.

[kyriian]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Thank you for your input Llarry, I have yet to see or hear from any environmentalists in relation to these figures.

I'll try, not claiming to be an environmentalist at all, I own two ICE cars, but do try to live that way

True environmentalist do understand this, and no reason to response, because public transporation and ride sharing instead of private car ownership leaves a far smaller carbon footprint, whether that's ICE or EV. The goal is to reduce your carbon footprint, buying a new car is massively wasteful to begin with.

The 74% or so people that car-addicted posted earlier who brought their EV over environmental concerns are just ill informed (and probably just want to virtue signal).

If you want to do something over climate change, buying a new car, ICE or EV, isn't going to do that, you do so by reducing your impact (as in less buying), it requires a pretty fundamental change to the existing lifestyle. It is not as simple as buying an EV.

I bet these 74% of people don't even see the beginning of reducing their own carbon footprint beyond the visible EV's 'benefits' of no tailpipe emission or no dirty gas stations, when they don't see how the electricity going into their EV, or how the car is made.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by Llarry

I can't vouch for these numbers

That's the internet-way!

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by RM7

That's the internet-way!

Translation: I got nothing.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by kyriian

I'll try, not claiming to be an environmentalist at all, I own two ICE cars, but do try to live that way

I think that is the right way to look at this. Conservation of natural resources is no different than conservation of capital / money. There are things we want to buy and can afford, so we buy them, we don't waste money on a bad deal. When we buy energy we buy the best value available. When we buy cars or technology we don't shop for the one that uses the most resources, uses the most energy and has the shortest life. If you consider your day to day purchases with a mind to the environment you will likely find you are way ahead of any EV, but if you want to buy a EV then by all means do it but don't play the "we are saving the environment" card because that is a lie.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

I think that is the right way to look at this. Conservation of natural resources is no different than conservation of capital / money. There are things we want to buy and can afford, so we buy them, we don't waste money on a bad deal. When we buy energy we buy the best value available. When we buy cars or technology we don't shop for the one that uses the most resources, uses the most energy and has the shortest life. If you consider your day to day purchases with a mind to the environment you will likely find you are way ahead of any EV, but if you want to buy a EV then by all means do it but don't play the "we are saving the environment" card because that is a lie.

There's a saying over here that relates to that, 'being led up the garden path', believing it is the right thing to do because 'they' said the scientists told them so.

[murderspice]

Originally Posted by kyriian

I'll try, not claiming to be an environmentalist at all, I own two ICE cars, but do try to live that way

True environmentalist do understand this, and no reason to response, because public transporation and ride sharing instead of private car ownership leaves a far smaller carbon footprint, whether that's ICE or EV. The goal is to reduce your carbon footprint, buying a new car is massively wasteful to begin with.

The 74% or so people that car-addicted posted earlier who brought their EV over environmental concerns are just ill informed (and probably just want to virtue signal).

The greenest product is the one you never buy.

[murderspice]

An EV conspiracy theory: The US is tricking china into adopting evs as their main form of transportation. The US understands the high cost and material scarcity of a transport infrastructure based on evs, the ease with which they are disrupted, and the limitations on expansion and travel that comes with it; making a society based on such tech easily exploited and contained. Would it not be worth a few $billion over 10 years (and some much-needed updates to your own infrastructure) to ensure your largest competitor adopts an inferior infrastructure that limits their growth?

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by murderspice

The greenest product is the one you never buy.

I know you are shocked but I completely disagree, I make green choices everyday but I also bought a M4CS which is not green but maybe it is in that it is very likely to ever see a salvage yard.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by murderspice

An EV conspiracy theory: The US is tricking china into adopting evs as their main form of transportation.

Do you work hard on being wrong?
CCP-Tied Group Quietly Spending Millions of Dollars On US-Based Climate Initiatives
The Energy Foundation, a climate-focused nonprofit with operations in Beijing, has wired millions of dollars to fund climate initiatives and environmental groups in the U.S.
Despite being technically headquartered in San Francisco, it operates mostly in China with strong ties to the Chinese Communist Party.
The group’s financial filings show contributions to U.S. initiatives, prompting concerns about national security and China’s influence.
It funded various U.S. organizations advocating for climate policies, drawing criticism for allegedly hindering domestic energy production.
The foundation’s ties to the CCP, including key staff members’ previous roles in Chinese government agencies, have raised concerns.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...es/ar-AA1lHCJT

[murderspice]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

Do you work hard on being wrong?
CCP-Tied Group Quietly Spending Millions of Dollars On US-Based Climate Initiatives
The Energy Foundation, a climate-focused nonprofit with operations in Beijing, has wired millions of dollars to fund climate initiatives and environmental groups in the U.S.
Despite being technically headquartered in San Francisco, it operates mostly in China with strong ties to the Chinese Communist Party.
The group’s financial filings show contributions to U.S. initiatives, prompting concerns about national security and China’s influence.
It funded various U.S. organizations advocating for climate policies, drawing criticism for allegedly hindering domestic energy production.
The foundation’s ties to the CCP, including key staff members’ previous roles in Chinese government agencies, have raised concerns.
https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world...es/ar-AA1lHCJT

Millions mean nothing when $trillions are at stake, much less for a century of hegemony.

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

That's what it boils down to, it's mainly a well off peoples choice to add an EV to their gas cars in large properties, while for the ones you mention in the lower middle brackets it makes little sense with everything to do with an EV taken into account, add tax squeeze and the cost of living to top it.

I like to add the words "entitled" before the words "well off peoples" My experience with most of the EV users especially those who owned the expensive EVs, they don't give a shit on anything. They parked their EVs anywhere they wanted. They want to race you at every stop light. They cut in front of you when they feel like it......

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by Murf the Surf

I'm not interested in using solar to power my home and go off grid, I don't know that the cost would be recovered but as a back up system to cover us during outages has some appeal.

I have installed a propane residential generator in my house. When there is an outage cause by winter/wind storm, it will kick in in least than 1 minute. No need to have shit like solar panels... I just want a good sleep at night.

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by Lady Jane

Okay. In order to save the planet I will stand here and freeze to death until my eco car is charged. By then, I might remember where I'm going.


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145 mins to get 80% charge on the battery for 300km range on EV?

Less than 10 mins at gas station and get a full tank for easy 450 km.

Let's do the math. I think even grade 4 kids know what to pick

[eugenebmw]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Waiting for BMW's first 3-bagger Electric Sport Tourer the iK15.500kWh. Ride 80 miles and charge for an hour.

Sound like the BMW are having a diarrhea and need to stop every so often

[eugenebmw]

By reading the article, it give me a big headache So many unknown and ???

https://www.blogto.com/tech/2024/01/...oronto-street/

[murderspice]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

I know you are shocked but I completely disagree, I make green choices everyday but I also bought a M4CS which is not green but maybe it is in that it is very likely to ever see a salvage yard.

I cant with you, sometimes.