[Miko M]

I still don't get that we need to use bigger battery pack to get more power.
Super capacitor are the answer.... People still can't figure out Nikola Tesla concept or better to say, they don't want to.

[kern417]

Originally Posted by Miko M

I still don't get that we need to use bigger battery pack to get more power.
Super capacitor are the answer.... People still can't figure out Nikola Tesla concept or better to say, they don't want to.

Not worth it from a business perspective because people won't pay more for it.

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by Miko M

I still don't get that we need to use bigger battery pack to get more power.
Super capacitor are the answer.... People still can't figure out Nikola Tesla concept or better to say, they don't want to.

Why stop there? A compact fusion reactor would be much better.

[Germanauto]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

The thought of having a manual with AWD would be niceeeeee.

With the way the market is shifting we will be lucky to even have an automatic with shift paddles/manual shift mode.

EVs just have 1-2 speed transmissions.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Germanauto

With the way the market is shifting we will be lucky to even have an automatic with shift paddles/manual shift mode.

EVs just have 1-2 speed transmissions.

Keep buying these manuals. Gotta keep the interest alive.

[mkoesel]

Okay, so if we call the lower output B58 TU2 the "M2" and the higher output model the "O2" for now (acknowledging that the actual names could differ, e.g. possible "T2"), then that would mean...

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

TU2 but a lower level tune.
Same as 740i, hybridized.

the B58 M2 retains the "40i" name and the hybrid B58 M2 retains the current "45e" name...

Same new version of B58 that we'll see in M245i, hybridized.

while the the B58 O2 is bumped to "45i" and the new B58 O2 hybrid gets the "M50e" badge.

Hopefully if that's the way it goes, it comes across less "weird" IRL.

So no V8 model (be it mild hybrid or PHEV) is known yet, then. We'll see how this progresses. I am still unconvinced the non-M V8 is going away completely. I feel like its got to stay for the SUVs at least, and at that point you might as well put it in the 7 and 8GC (two door 8er models have uncertain future) as well.

Unlikely that powerful - will need two motors for that but it's a RWD model.

Good point, although at some point I expect dual rear motors to be a thing in BMWs. Maybe not by 2022 though.

In any case, it's going to get messy if they start using the same name numbers on vehicles with completely different motor configurations. I suppose it will be the battery capacity alone that drives the numbering scheme now, but if so that's going to be confusing for awhile.

[vladberca]

No info about the next S68 V8?
For sure in works as we will deliver some components for it (tier 1 supplier for BMW)..

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by vladberca

No info about the next S68 V8?
For sure in works as we will deliver some components for it (tier 1 supplier for BMW)..

S68 won't be needed until G60, so a bit too soon for any hard data on it.

[Zodiac]

No V12 and no V8 in new 7 series? Well, that actually makes sense if you take fuel consumption, cost and weight of those engines into consideration. BMW can always use R6 engine doing north of 500HP, calling it 750i, if there will be a need for this kind of product. With proper transmission and lower weight, it will surely outperform current 750i. Going fully electric is also feasible and for those in need for a longer trips, PHEV will do the job.

When it comes to i7 M60 version, I don't think BMW will have issues with power and overall performance. But I just wonder if in 2 years time they will have proper battery and drivetrain technology to start fight against Tesla. For me, Tesla currently is out of the equation (build quality, material quality, lets not even start the design discussion...) but I believe their technical stack impresses everyone, not just only me. Since Tesla has their product on the road, being beta tested by all those drivers in need of EV fun, BMW seems to be a far, far away, most likely in another galaxy. I wish they could catch up, but from my point of view (their current EV lineup) it does not look promising.

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by Zodiac

When it comes to i7 M60 version, I don't think BMW will have issues with power and overall performance. But I just wonder if in 2 years time they will have proper battery and drivetrain technology to start fight against Tesla. For me, Tesla currently is out of the equation (build quality, material quality, lets not even start the design discussion...) but I believe their technical stack impresses everyone, not just only me. Since Tesla has their product on the road, being beta tested by all those drivers in need of EV fun, BMW seems to be a far, far away, most likely in another galaxy. I wish they could catch up, but from my point of view (their current EV lineup) it does not look promising.

BMW's previous CEO lost his job precisely because he wasted years and didn't push electrification hard enough to stay competitive not just with Tesla but even with the other legacy Germans. Now BMW has to play catch up. We'll see how well they can do it next year, when G26 is out.

BTW, take a look at Munro's teardown of a Model Y: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?lis...5a5Rp1LlET4Wbr. It's not a beta product anymore.

[adc]

Originally Posted by Miko M

I still don't get that we need to use bigger battery pack to get more power.
Super capacitor are the answer.... People still can't figure out Nikola Tesla concept or better to say, they don't want to.

You are wrong. Super capacitors are very good at discharging energy over short periods of time. High output, quick charge but low duration. That is why they can be used in mild performance enhancing hybrids like the upcoming Lamborghini.

These just don’t work well at discharging electricity in steady flow over long periods of time, like batteries do.

It’s not a conspiracy, just physics.

[Miko M]

Originally Posted by adc

You are wrong. Super capacitors are very good at discharging energy over short periods of time. High output, quick charge but low duration. That is why they can be used in mild performance enhancing hybrids like the upcoming Lamborghini.

These just don’t work well at discharging electricity in steady flow over long periods of time, like batteries do.

It’s not a conspiracy, just physics.

Here is something that Nanoflowcell developed that doesn't use solid battery to make electricity.

Mine point about Tesla is that people don't want to use his invention that he developed 100years ago.

Do some reading about Tesla and you will know what I am talking about

[ynguldyn]

Let's stick to the subject, shall we?

[matbl]

Originally Posted by ynguldyn

Let's stick to the subject, shall we?

Yes please. And on subject, ynguldyn , do you still have G30/G31 LCI SOP in July? And still with 530e for G31 (non-US obviously)?

[sward]

When is SOP for iNext or iX?

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by matbl

Yes please. And on subject, ynguldyn , do you still have G30/G31 LCI SOP in July? And still with 530e for G31 (non-US obviously)?

Yes and yes.

Originally Posted by sward

When is SOP for iNext or iX?

All known SOPs are in the top post.

[Spanish_Competition]

So, for the current M2 competition (S55 engine) when is the production expected to cease?

I can see for the F87 that the expiration date is June 2021...

[IllSic_Design]

Originally Posted by Spanish_Competition

So, for the current M2 competition (S55 engine) when is the production expected to cease?

I can see for the F87 that the expiration date is June 2021...

F87 is the M2, which comes only with s55/comp now so EOP is 6/21 as stated I would assume

[Spanish_Competition]

Originally Posted by IllSic_Design

F87 is the M2, which comes only with s55/comp now so EOP is 6/21 as stated I would assume

I think exactly the same as you...

Although Next-Gen G87 BMW M2 will debut in 2022 and not as the original thread says "2023 G87 M2". That confused me, as I was a year ahead.

Cheers

[ynguldyn]

Originally Posted by Spanish_Competition

I think exactly the same as you...

Although Next-Gen G87 BMW M2 will debut in 2022 and not as the original thread says "2023 G87 M2". That confused me, as I was a year ahead.

Cheers

US model year vs actual date on the calendar.

[Laki021]

Originally Posted by Miko M

I still don't get that we need to use bigger battery pack to get more power.
Super capacitor are the answer.... People still can't figure out Nikola Tesla concept or better to say, they don't want to.

Because they can provide just short bursts of power. Their power density is low, so they would have to be quite big and heavy to provide you with some meaningful boost. And additional weight, space and cost is what you want to avoid.

[Oswaldo]

Will the 30d engine, when implanted with mild-hybrid technology, have a performance increase?

Will the G01/G02 M40d, when upgraded to mild-hybrids, make 340hp?

The new G22 M440i will implement mild-hybrid technology. Will the G20 M340i also implement it in the short term?