[minn19]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

In short : "MAX Isn't a Bottas" !
And MAX will never , ever brake for Hammy while he is leading the race .

Let's us take MAX out the F1 . And F1 Isn't worth it anymore to watch it by the Mercedes dominance !
Because Checo in the same Red Bull is nowhere !

I figured I'd get a pure gold non answer/response such as this.

[SenorFunkyPants]

I'll just put this here...

And why the FIA had to change the rules on weaving due to Verstappens antics.

[tdott]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

It's 100 % HAM's fault !

Too bad you are wrong. Both have to accept part of the blame.

Also we were talking about intent.

Please translate again, I think you missed the difference.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by minn19

I figured I'd get a pure gold non answer/response such as this.

Negative . You only don't get it .You don't see the correlation .
But I'm used to it by the Merc fans ...

[tdott]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Let's us take MAX out the F1 . And F1 Isn't worth it anymore to watch it by the Mercedes dominance !

lol, maybe every driver and team should let max race by himself then.

That way he can be first and last every race, and always never at fault.

If Max crashed with no one else on the track, it still wouldn't be his fault.

[minn19]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Negative . You only don't get it .You don't see the correlation .
But I'm used to it by the Merc fans ...

You’ve got to be the biggest fan boy I’ve ever seen.

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by SenorFunkyPants

I'll just put this here...

And why the FIA had to change the rules on weaving due to Verstappens antics.

I've been waiting for someone to put up the fact that the FIA had to change the rules to stop Max from weaving multiple times in the braking zones and how many times he actually endangered other drivers multiple times, without remorse. It was beyond the pale and Horner and Company praising Max for his "driving prowess".

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by minn19

You’ve got to be the biggest fan boy I’ve ever seen.

And there is a (good) reason why ..
I followed MAX already at the kart tracks . MAX is born in Hasselt (Belgium) ,only 15-20 min. from my home .
MAX's ID (passport) and driver license is Belgian .Saw him , met him....And the company is over there as well.
So..........

But as you know his F1 drivers license is Dutch . That's why he drives F1 under the Dutch flag .
Jos is Dutch and his mom Sophie Kumpen is Belgian .

[Ximian]

Originally Posted by MKSixer

I've been waiting for someone to put up the fact that the FIA had to change the rules to stop Max from weaving multiple times in the braking zones and how many times he actually endangered other drivers multiple times, without remorse. It was beyond the pale and Horner and Company praising Max for his "driving prowess".

Verstappen fans: "Let them race!"

And when Max loses out in a race when another driver pulls the same moves Max does, the fans say "No, not like that!"

Max during his first few seasons was only slightly more talented than Mazepin this year. Mazepin WDC 2024?

[minn19]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

And there is a (good) reason why ..
I followed MAX already at the kart tracks . MAX is born in Hasselt (Belgium) ,only 15-20 min. from my home .
MAX's ID (passport) and driver license is Belgian .Saw him , met him....And the company is over there as well.
So..........

But as you know his F1 drivers license is Dutch . That's why he drives F1 under the Dutch flag .
Jos is Dutch and his mom Sophie Kumpen is Belgian .

Don't care.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by tdott

lol, maybe every driver and team should let max race by himself then.

That way he can be first and last every race, and always never at fault.

If Max crashed with no one else on the track, it still wouldn't be his fault.

As usual : Such a silly BS ... And you know it !

[tdott]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

And there is a (good) reason why ..
I followed MAX already at the kart tracks . MAX is born in Hasselt (Belgium) ,only 15-20 min. from my home .
MAX's ID (passport) and driver license is Belgian .Saw him , met him....And the company is over there as well.
So..........

But as you know his F1 drivers license is Dutch . That's why he drives F1 under the Dutch flag .
Jos is Dutch and his mom Sophie Kumpen is Belgian .

Doesn't mean you have to be closed minded.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by minn19

Don't care.

Of course . I didn't expected something else ...

[tdott]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

As usual : Such a silly BS ... And you know it !

It's not, you said F1 is nothing without Max.

F1 will go on without him, he could have died, the season would go on. Harsh but you need to accept that fact.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by tdott

Doesn't mean you have to be closed minded.

Same for you !

[tdott]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Same for you !

I have never been, I am open to good racing from any driver.

I give praise to other drivers. I enjoy watching more than a few drivers on the grid. I am not tunneled vision on 1 driver. I just call it like it is.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by tdott

I have never been, I am open to good racing from any driver.

I give praise to other drivers. I enjoy watching more than a few drivers on the grid. I am not tunneled vision on 1 driver. I just call it like it is.

That's correct . But then seen from on Hammy's side !

Back to work...

[chuckthis]

Originally Posted by tdott

It's not, you said F1 is nothing without Max.

F1 will go on without him, he could have died, the season would go on. Harsh but you need to accept that fact.

So true. There's only 20 seats on the grid and numerous drivers who would actually push Max off track for a chance at a full time seat.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by MKSixer

Oh...so saying Sir Lewis deliberately crashed Max out of the race and tried to kill him is common sense?

The stewards appointed HAM at fault, it's there to read.

[FormulaMMM]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

Nah, nah, nah...that's giving HAM too much credit. LEC was just as fast or faster out front in clean air on the yellows. HAM even said so.

He did say so, part of the reason I think it's probable he meant the opposite. HAM was 7/10ths faster than LEC in qualifying on the yellows.

I give about as much credence to "the Ferrari is just too fast" as I do to "Bono, these tires aren't going to last."

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by tdott

FIA has already said they don't consider consequences after the incident when accessing the penalty they can only consider the facts of the incident.

So Max being out of the race and Lewis winning the race doesn't factor into what the penalty is. If max spun and re-joined the penalty would be the same.

If max was injured, and sadly lets say ended his career, it sounds like the penalty would be the same.

Harsh, but it's not like what Schumacher did in 1997 to Villeneuve. Schumacher got disqualified and lost all his points that season. Schumacher had intent to crash and take the other guy out, it didn't work and he took himself out, Villeneuve continued the race, but Schumacher still got a pretty harsh punishment.

https://racer.com/2021/07/19/fia-exp...ilton-penalty/

Villeneuve survived and finished the race while Shumi beached himself, totally different ending.

[tdott]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

The stewards appointed HAM at fault, it's there to read.

They specifically said predominantly at fault. Not wholly.

If you need some help understanding, that also means that Max was also partly at fault. Just Lewis more so in their decision.