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To me, the picture below is the most important thing that prospective EV buyers don't understand.
There is a big range decrease when temperatures drop, and, more importantly, a huge range decrease when speeds increase. To me, range is only important on a long road trip. On a long road trip I want to drive fast. And I often travel with temps below freezing. A 380mi (EPA) Model X can turn into a 150 mi range at higher speeds on the highway in winter. Consider that most drivers won't start a trip at 100% of charge and won't run the car range all the way to zero, and the real range is more like 100-120mi. That is simply pitiful. So EVs may be practical for commuting in CA. But they are not practical for long distance driving in cold climates. (and I'm a huge EV proponent - they work well as a short distance vehicle and my gf has one that I like)
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EVs can burn underwater. EVs catch on fire when charging (at night in the family garage while everyone is sleeping). I've driven over 1M miles, mostly in old, high-mileage vehicles. Of the 15 or so vehicles I've owned, not one has caught on fire. And that includes four (4) Pintos.
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80% to 15% state of charge is the practical usable range of an EV - I.e. one that can be recharged to relatively quickly and is not anxiety inducing. So knock 1/3 out of that max range.
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01-03-2024, 06:22 AM | #5552 | |
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Most states require in home/in garage carbon monoxide monitors. Wake up and open a window. If an EV fire starts in the garage it's usually too late... jump out the window and break your spine. Or just don't be a dumbass and make sure then engine is off. Last edited by Efthreeoh; 01-03-2024 at 06:31 AM.. |
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01-03-2024, 07:10 AM | #5553 |
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Confession/explanation time.
Let me make this clear. I am very firmly against EV as the sole transportation method and ice ban etc so why did I buy one. The good Bought used 1 yr old bmw IX with 12k miles at 66% of original sticker price in june 23. Government incentive gives me 9% of purchase price back as a cheque tax credit. = $ 6933. (When I sell I'll have to hand back 50%of amount I sold it for though), also cheque for $ 920 for home charger installation. Plus no road tax so $620 a year saving In Glasgow (UK) home charging rates between 2330-530 are 7p/kwh (9c). If the car needs more charge the off peak rate is extended till the target charge is reached. $3.4 per 100 miles of motoring calculated at 2.5 miles/kwh(efficiency is poor but its a very nice place to be in) that I'm averaging over 24k miles in the IX I do 15000 miles a year so cost is $510 For same miles x5 40i cost would be @23mpg $]5473 So over 4 years theoretically if everything remains the same saving of $13732 in fuel $2480 in tax and $3500 in tax rebate assuming I sell it for 50%of purchase price. Total = $ 19712 in (theoretical savings) over a 4 year period. Insurance is higher but then doesn't need servicing/oil changes. It is very spacious for my family of 5 and 3 small cavaliers in the boot. It's reasonably quick and smooth and silent in most part. The bad and the Ugly Depreciation In 6 months since purchase it's probably depreciated through the projected savings amount. Its difficult to find how much I will get if I part ex now as no dealer really wants a used ev and so offers are ridiculous.Long journeys are a PITA hence I use my ICE car. Range is 75% of advertised in cold conditions and 70% when fully occupied and since one has to charge with at least 10%left I'd say 60% of advertised range in worst case scenario before needing a charge. All the EV guys were raving about how great they are and how can you knock it unless you try it and I wanted a piece of that pie and it's a good one in some ways but a humble one in many other ways. |
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What % of any ice vehicle catching fire requires 10,000 gallons of water to extinguish and is at risk for reigniting?
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01-03-2024, 09:54 AM | #5557 | |
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If I was going to road trip in under 32 degree weather for some uncommon reason I would likely just slow it down a bit to around 70's on the interstate. |
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01-03-2024, 10:27 AM | #5558 | |
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I think this is the very heart of the issue though isn't it. If government is mandating no more ICE vehicles you no longer have a choice about sourcing out what's best for your personal application. |
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01-03-2024, 10:33 AM | #5559 |
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I agree with that.
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01-03-2024, 12:39 PM | #5560 |
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We are talking about a car cost over $100,000 CA and there are so many restriction of what it can and what it can't do. Something really wrong with this picture. If it is a car only cost one third of the price. I am happy to except it as nothing is perfect. My 2 cents
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01-03-2024, 12:55 PM | #5562 |
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What % of gas station will catch fire? May be less than 0.1% But for me, at all cost I will never live 10 feet from a gas station. Not everything has take two.
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You have so little time left to live before dying in an EV fire. I would just get your dream car now and live out your last days the best you can. Life is too short.
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Yes, you read my mind. That's why I bought my dream car G82 and I track with my car every 2 weeks. This is my motto: Living a life like no tomorrow.
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Excellent. I had four Ms and loved them. It's a shame the world is about to go up in flames as EVs catch everything on fire.
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I know you need a pick me up? Mercedes-Benz EQB EV burns down while charging at dealer 31 December 2023 This afternoon, a Mercedes-Benz EQB350 caught fire in Johor, as shown in several viral videos circulating on social media. What makes this incident particularly noteworthy is that it happened right in front of the dealer, Cycle & Carriage Johor Bahru in Skudai, apparently while charging at a DC fast charger. According to Buletin TV3, the fire, which was reported at 2:45pm, engulfed 90% of the car and destroyed 20% of the charging station. We have reached out to an MBM spokesperson, who said that the company could not comment on the matter until an investigation has been conducted. This latest incident is the second high-profile EV fire in Malaysia, following on from another one involving a Tesla Model Y in Puchong in October. Glad it wasn't a ICE vehicle, we might have a hole in the planet. |
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