[ggunn9]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

The latest airport car park fire ar Bristol destroying around a dozen vehicles.
https://www.somersetlive.co.uk/news/...hrough-8965915

I didn't see where that article pointed to EVs as the cause.

Stats show that the rate of fires in ICE cars is higher than that of EVs. As you would expect. An ICE car is carrying around a bomb of fuel.

There is no doubt or arguing that if an EV catches fire it will burn for a very long time and consume lots of fire dept resources. But again EVs do not catch fire at the rate of ICE cars.

[freakystyly]

ICE vehicles typically don't spontaneously combust unless there is an active fluid leak and flashpoint causing spark caused by.... electrical. Yes, ICE vehicles do have batteries and electronics.

EV fires are usually caused by thermal run away... which is basically a feedback loop of heat.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ggunn9

I didn't see where that article pointed to EVs as the cause.

Stats show that the rate of fires in ICE cars is higher than that of EVs. As you would expect. An ICE car is carrying around a bomb of fuel.

There is no doubt or arguing that if an EV catches fire it will burn for a very long time and consume lots of fire dept resources. But again EVs do not catch fire at the rate of ICE cars.

It is still being investigated, and as experts pointed that the Luton fire could only have been started by a lithium-ion battery it must be suspected that it may be the cause here.

[kyriian]

Originally Posted by ggunn9

I don't understand why so many people that have no experience with an EV have such harsh options about EVs.

I sold my 2018 BMW x5 s35i for a 2023 Tesla Model Y Performance edition. I am not a tree hugger. I don't imagine I am saving the plant with my one EV. I changed because I got tired of buying premium gas, I got tired of doing all the maintenance, oil and spark plug changes. I loved that X5. It was a great vehicle and I had a Bootmod3 tune on it. That thing was fast.

My Tesla is even faster with no maintenance. I'm not here to argue or tell you that you need to get rid of your ICE vehicle. I get it EVs don't work for everyone, but thsi Model Y works for me. I have certain routine trips I take. I used to have to stop for gas $40-$60. Now I stop to charge $4-$6. I'm not saying I am saving a ton of money on my EV. I think the cost of the EV made up for the difference. $15k more than my X5. But perhaps I get that money and time back by not having to change the oil, spark plugs or trans fluid. IDK.

I just know I like my Tesla Model Y. Charging does not take as long as people talk about. I have never spent more than 15 mins charging on the road. The goal is to charge enough to get to the next charger not to 100%. I have grown to enjoy the 15 mins of relaxing in the car or getting a snack or using the bathroom on that stop. Once I stopped in Atlanta, GA to charge. I decided to kill the charge time with a meal. By the time I got inside the restaurant next door. The car was done charging. I had enough juice to make it home.

My EV works for me and that is all I care about. The instant power is there when I want it. I'm not sure how long I will keep it. On average I keep a car 6-8 yrs. I only kept the X5 2 yrs.

Here we go again... EV enthusiasts coming in with glowing reviews, this thread is 240+ pages because it just comes back around and around and around. There is not some massive hate on EVs, its everything else around it. Frankly reading through the EV enthusiasts here makes me want an EV LESS.

No one is arguing about the legitimacy of EVs, they have their strengths, and like so many of EV enthusiasts have come in here to sing praises, all of you have acknowledge you are speaking from YOUR use case, notice the use of 'I' or 'My' in all your claims, which is fine, but know it comes from YOUR use case, no one else.

The thread's 240+ pages have been littered with more than sufficient use case scenarios where an EV does not work, require serious work-arounds, or just won't work for the foreseeable future.

Then there's world government more than happy to discuss banning ICE vehicles which is even more idiotic, considering the myriad of things these people in power could actually do to work and reverse climate change instead of putting all their eggs in the EV basket to the benefit of the upper crust of society. Let the free market make its own choice.

People also tend to forget, that 7 billion lives exists outside of their own little bubble, and that 'YOUR' use case is not applicable to a lot of people.

[zx10guy]

Originally Posted by ggunn9

I didn't see where that article pointed to EVs as the cause.

Stats show that the rate of fires in ICE cars is higher than that of EVs. As you would expect. An ICE car is carrying around a bomb of fuel.

There is no doubt or arguing that if an EV catches fire it will burn for a very long time and consume lots of fire dept resources. But again EVs do not catch fire at the rate of ICE cars.

Originally Posted by freakystyly

ICE vehicles typically don't spontaneously combust unless there is an active fluid leak and flashpoint causing spark caused by.... electrical. Yes, ICE vehicles do have batteries and electronics.

EV fires are usually caused by thermal run away... which is basically a feedback loop of heat.

This video is pretty relevant to the discussion you two are having. Some background about the creator of the video. He's a captain at a fire service/department and also a mechanical engineer. The relevant point from the video pertaining to your discussion is that he says the fires he's seen or are aware of for EVs involve cars that are only a year or two old. The fires for ICE vehicles are typically much older. I think he said around 10 years old and are typically due to lack of proper maintenance.

And this is the video he did sparking the reaction video above from the comments with the below video:

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by gonzo

“California takes great pride in our ambitious status as the leading edge of high-speed rail in America,” Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) said Tuesday on X,

California shouldn't make it easier for people to leave CA. The CA exodus is in high gear already. When they do get around to building a fence it won't be to keep people out it will be to keep them in.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by ggunn9

I don't understand why so many people that have no experience with an EV have such harsh options about EVs.

I don't have much experience with a lot of things that could cause me financial or personal harm or harm the environment but some research keeps me away, so your line of is weak. There are folks here that have owned , rented EV's and I own a company that sells LiPo batteries so there is a lot of experience here.

Originally Posted by ggunn9

My EV works for me and that is all I care about. The instant power is there when I want it. I'm not sure how long I will keep it. On average I keep a car 6-8 yrs. I only kept the X5 2 yrs.

You sound like the perfect EV customer. You know what you want and you are not deluded that you're saving the planet. I still have to see any post here suggesting people shouldn't be allowed to buy EV's. Remember that what puts a burr under the saddle of a lot of folks is being forced to make a EV purchase. I suspect you would be pretty angry if you were forced to buy a ICE vehicle.

[dfox]

Originally Posted by kyriian

Let the free market make its own choice.

Does this mean we get to stop oil industry subsidies too?!?

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by dfox

Does this mean we get to stop oil industry subsidies too?!?

How about going dollar per dollar: Fossil fuel subsidies and green energy boondoggles, I mean subsidies?

[Car-Addicted]

Only these ten EVs will qualify for the full federal tax credit in 2024
The rules surrounding the $7,500 federal tax credits for electric vehicles are changing on Jan. 1.
Although it helps buyers by allowing dealers to apply the credit as an immediate discount, new restrictions on vehicle manufacturer's suggested retail price and manufacturing will make the shopping list smaller and can drive buyers away from certain brands and models.
Only 10 cars are eligible for the full $7,500 tax credit, with one Detroit manufacturer dominating the list.
1. Chevrolet Bolt EV - $26,500
2. Chevrolet Equinox EV - $48,995
3. Ford F-150 Lightning - $49,995
4. Tesla Model 3 Performance - $50,990
5. Chevrolet Silverado - $51,895
6. Tesla Model Y Performance - $52,490
7. Chrysler Pacifica PHEV - $53,425
8. Chevrolet Blazer EV - $60,215
9. Cadillac LYRIQ - $58,590
10. Tesla Model X - $79,990
https://www.msn.com/en-us/autos/news...3ff2ba19&ei=10

BMW, Audi, and Mercedes are not getting the love. Expect BMW to make EV's in Spartanburg?

[Car-Addicted]

Ford cuts planned 2024 production of electric F-150 Lightning in half
Dec 11 2023
DETROIT — Ford Motor will cut planned production of its all-electric F-150 Lightning pickup roughly in half next year, marking a major reversal after the automaker significantly increased plant capacity for the electric vehicle in 2023.
Ford executives have recently said the automaker will match production to demand, as the company cancels or postpones $12 billion in upcoming EV investments.
https://www.cnbc.com/2023/12/11/f-15...s-in-half.html

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by ggunn9

I don't understand why so many people that have no experience with an EV have such harsh options about EVs.

I think you meant harsh opinions. I'm sure if you read my posts you believe I have harsh opinions on EV. I have harsh opinions only that are based on the forthcoming forced adoption of EV and the economic impact it will have on all us, which are higher energy prices and a less reliable energy grid.

I'm fine with EV competing in the open marketplace with ICE. But that's not the case. Tesla has a unique situation because it was able to build a proprietary charging network, which gives it a lead over the CSS charging network. But not every EV manufacturer can have its own proprietary network.

I look at the legitimacy of EV under the scenario (use case) as if there was no ability to own an ICEV for long-distance road trips (like many EV owners do). Waiting around to charge any longer than 5 minutes is a non-starter for most people. Charging at home is great and makes EV work for a lot of owners, but not everyone owns a dwelling that can provide private overnight charging. ICEV work for everyone regardless of their living arrangement. Any ICEV can be recharged at any time, everywhere, in 5 minutes.

Sure, the EV charging retort is "but it takes just a relaxing 30 minutes and I use the time to eat, shit, and relax." Sure you do because you have to. With ICEV you don't have to. 5 minutes, that's it. Most people do not want to give that option up. I don't need to buy or rent or borrow a friend's EV to figure that out and form a rational opinion.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by zx10guy

This video is pretty relevant to the discussion you two are having. Some background about the creator of the video. He's a captain at a fire service/department and also a mechanical engineer. The relevant point from the video pertaining to your discussion is that he says the fires he's seen or are aware of for EVs involve cars that are only a year or two old. The fires for ICE vehicles are typically much older. I think he said around 10 years old and are typically due to lack of proper maintenance.

And this is the video he did sparking the reaction video above from the comments with the below video:

That Jeep roof shot out at the speed of a bullet, the firemen are extremely lucky the roof and other debris didn't curl towards their way.

[Socal_R8]

Originally Posted by ggunn9

I don't understand why so many people that have no experience with an EV have such harsh options about EVs.

I sold my 2018 BMW x5 s35i for a 2023 Tesla Model Y Performance edition. I am not a tree hugger. I don't imagine I am saving the plant with my one EV. I changed because I got tired of buying premium gas, I got tired of doing all the maintenance, oil and spark plug changes. I loved that X5. It was a great vehicle and I had a Bootmod3 tune on it. That thing was fast.

My Tesla is even faster with no maintenance. I'm not here to argue or tell you that you need to get rid of your ICE vehicle. I get it EVs don't work for everyone, but thsi Model Y works for me. I have certain routine trips I take. I used to have to stop for gas $40-$60. Now I stop to charge $4-$6. I'm not saying I am saving a ton of money on my EV. I think the cost of the EV made up for the difference. $15k more than my X5. But perhaps I get that money and time back by not having to change the oil, spark plugs or trans fluid. IDK.

I just know I like my Tesla Model Y. Charging does not take as long as people talk about. I have never spent more than 15 mins charging on the road. The goal is to charge enough to get to the next charger not to 100%. I have grown to enjoy the 15 mins of relaxing in the car or getting a snack or using the bathroom on that stop. Once I stopped in Atlanta, GA to charge. I decided to kill the charge time with a meal. By the time I got inside the restaurant next door. The car was done charging. I had enough juice to make it home.

My EV works for me and that is all I care about. The instant power is there when I want it. I'm not sure how long I will keep it. On average I keep a car 6-8 yrs. I only kept the X5 2 yrs.

pretty much.....I guarantee you the the most vocal people in this thread have probably never even been in an EV let alone had any real seat time in one.


a circle jerk of stupidity

https://nypost.com/2019/01/17/stupid...d-proud-study/

[tturedraider]

Originally Posted by ggunn9

I don't understand why so many people that have no experience with an EV have such harsh options about EVs.

I sold my 2018 BMW x5 s35i for a 2023 Tesla Model Y Performance edition. I am not a tree hugger. I don't imagine I am saving the plant with my one EV. I changed because I got tired of buying premium gas, I got tired of doing all the maintenance, oil and spark plug changes. I loved that X5. It was a great vehicle and I had a Bootmod3 tune on it. That thing was fast.

My Tesla is even faster with no maintenance. I'm not here to argue or tell you that you need to get rid of your ICE vehicle. I get it EVs don't work for everyone, but thsi Model Y works for me. I have certain routine trips I take. I used to have to stop for gas $40-$60. Now I stop to charge $4-$6. I'm not saying I am saving a ton of money on my EV. I think the cost of the EV made up for the difference. $15k more than my X5. But perhaps I get that money and time back by not having to change the oil, spark plugs or trans fluid. IDK.

I just know I like my Tesla Model Y. Charging does not take as long as people talk about. I have never spent more than 15 mins charging on the road. The goal is to charge enough to get to the next charger not to 100%. I have grown to enjoy the 15 mins of relaxing in the car or getting a snack or using the bathroom on that stop. Once I stopped in Atlanta, GA to charge. I decided to kill the charge time with a meal. By the time I got inside the restaurant next door. The car was done charging. I had enough juice to make it home.

My EV works for me and that is all I care about. The instant power is there when I want it. I'm not sure how long I will keep it. On average I keep a car 6-8 yrs. I only kept the X5 2 yrs.

Originally Posted by kyriian

Here we go again... EV enthusiasts coming in with glowing reviews, this thread is 240+ pages because it just comes back around and around and around. There is not some massive hate on EVs, its everything else around it. Frankly reading through the EV enthusiasts here makes me want an EV LESS.

No one is arguing about the legitimacy of EVs, they have their strengths, and like so many of EV enthusiasts have come in here to sing praises, all of you have acknowledge you are speaking from YOUR use case, notice the use of 'I' or 'My' in all your claims, which is fine, but know it comes from YOUR use case, no one else.

The thread's 240+ pages have been littered with more than sufficient use case scenarios where an EV does not work, require serious work-arounds, or just won't work for the foreseeable future.

Then there's world government more than happy to discuss banning ICE vehicles which is even more idiotic, considering the myriad of things these people in power could actually do to work and reverse climate change instead of putting all their eggs in the EV basket to the benefit of the upper crust of society. Let the free market make its own choice.

People also tend to forget, that 7 billion lives exists outside of their own little bubble, and that 'YOUR' use case is not applicable to a lot of people.

Originally Posted by SoCal_NSX

pretty much.....I guarantee you the the most vocal people in this thread have probably never even been in an EV let alone had any real seat time in one.


a circle jerk of stupidity

https://nypost.com/2019/01/17/stupid...d-proud-study/

It’s interesting how you quote and comment on the first post yet totally ignore the well reasoned response to it as if it doesn’t exist. I think maybe yours is the circle jerk of stupidity.

[M5Rick]

^ #5301, I have been in an EV. If it wasn't for the hitlerite order to stop making new gas cars after 2035 then maybe a more eloquent discussion would be taking place.

[Socal_R8]

Originally Posted by tturedraider

It’s interesting how you quote and comment on the first post yet totally ignore the well reasoned response to it as if it doesn’t exist. I think maybe yours is the circle jerk of stupidity.

if you don't know who I'm referring to, you are proving my point....

hint, it wasn't the one you quoted


posting nonstop youtube videos of anti-EV propaganda drivel from the usual suspects like it is gospel.....

[Socal_R8]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

^ #5301, I have been in an EV. If it wasn't for the hitlerite order to stop making new gas cars after 2035 then maybe a more eloquent discussion would be taking place.

if and when that day ever comes, you can hate EV's all you want, but it is over a decade away and likely won't ever happen....although battery tech by then will probably surpass 600 mile range EV's, quick charging with lower prices and ICE cars won't need a mandate to be discontinued, they will become less and less attractive to a majority of the buying public and EV's will be a majority of the car sales by then anyway....and it's not like Hitler is going to come take your ICE at midnight on Dec 31st 2034

ICE vehicles will still be on the roads long after all of us are dead and gone

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by SoCal_NSX

pretty much.....I guarantee you the the most vocal people in this thread have probably never even been in an EV let alone had any real seat time in one.


a circle jerk of stupidity

https://nypost.com/2019/01/17/stupid...d-proud-study/

How much is enough real seat time? How much is enough time being in one? I've spent 2 hours seat time in a Volt both on pure EV and when it switched over to gas mode. I've spent 45 minutes driving a Bolt. I spent 1/2 hour driving a Mach E. I've spent 1 hour in the rear right seat of a 2018 Model 3, 45 minutes in the right front seat of that same Model 3, and I've spent 1/2 hour in the right rear seat of a Model Y.

I've read hours upon hours of EV charging threads on other EV car forums. I've discussed in detail the charging schemes of Tesla ownership with the two people who own the Model 3 and Y. Both are electrical engineers. Both work on a national infrastructure system integration program (I did too along with them). I was a first adopter of the General Electric EV garden tractor in 1973. I have an electric push mower, leaf blower, and chainsaw. I fully understand the EV "thing".

The EV cars are range limited and refuel really slow compared to ICEV. The EV lawn equipment is great for short-duration tasks, but ICE lawn equipment run endlessly all day and there is virtually no wait time to refuel. My Echo backpack leafblower runs 3 hours on a tank of fuel nearly WOT the entire time, my Snapper hand held leafblower runs about 10 minutes on its 2.0 AH battery. Last time I used it, it broke the battery - lol.

So tell me what circle jerk group I'm in.

[tturedraider]

Originally Posted by SoCal_NSX

if you don't know who I'm referring to, you are proving my point....

hint, it wasn't the one you quoted


posting nonstop youtube videos of anti-EV propaganda drivel from the usual suspects like it is gospel.....

I’m well aware of who posts in this thread and I stand by my statement 100%.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

California shouldn't make it easier for people to leave CA. The CA exodus is in high gear already. When they do get around to building a fence it won't be to keep people out it will be to keep them in.

It's sad but the incapable management of the state can't be denied.


The seriousness is that to get the 26B they have under the mattress, a fiscal emergency must be declared. If it goes that direction...run. Like really run.

Bailouts out the wazoo and still splat. But they'll keep checking the same boxes.
Crazy.


*Texas 32.7B surplus*

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by SoCal_NSX

a circle jerk of stupidity

You're always welcome to provide proof of stupidity and set the world straight.