[ramman434]

I missed the race yesterday (was out fishing 25 mi off the coast w/no cell service). My wife & I watched highlights last night and are trying to catch up on everything.

Such a crazy race to have missed!

[fiveohwblow]

Originally Posted by ramman434

I missed the race yesterday (was out fishing 25 mi off the coast w/no cell service). My wife & I watched highlights last night and are trying to catch up on everything.

Such a crazy race to have missed!

Watch the first lap, and last 15. Otherwise it holds little interest.

[TheBingoBalls]

Originally Posted by MKSixer

This is a great post-race analysis from Autosport about Red Bull and their need to perform a complete reset over the summer:

A return of just five points across Silverstone and Budapest has seen Red Bull lose the lead of both championships, leaving it in need of a reset heading into the summer break.

On outright pace, Verstappen should have a healthy lead over Hamilton in the drivers’ standings, barring the incidents in the last two races and the failure in Baku that denied him a surefire victory.

But title fights are rarely a case of ‘man with fastest car wins’. There will always be setbacks, requiring drivers to dig deep and recover. The Turn 1 incident was sheer bad luck for Verstappen, but has left him with a hole to dig out of in the second half of the season.

The confidence of having the fastest car might not be quite as strong as it once was, with Mercedes appearing to make a decent step with the Silverstone update. But this still feels like Red Bull’s title to lose.

If it can come back fighting at Spa and, importantly for Verstappen, Zandvoort, then the title will again be in its hands. Champions are formed by how they deal with adversity, meaning the response to the recent disappointment will be critical to Red Bull’s season.

Further:

It’s not only on-track where Red Bull has been suffering lately.

The team waged a fairly aggressive war of words with Mercedes in the wake of Verstappen and Hamilton’s crash at Silverstone, doing little to defuse things even when Mercedes tried to calm the matter.

But it ended in fairly shambolic fashion after the FIA threw out the request to review the case when Red Bull offered no new evidence, but had instead created evidence from the accident in a bid to try and fight its case.

The stewards’ note of “allegations” made by Red Bull - which were did disclosed as the matter was put to bed - also indicates the belligerence shown by the team did not stop even when it came to a formal hearing.

PLUS: How Red Bull endured its second car crash in two weeks

Mercedes was emphatic in its response, saying it hoped the ruling would put an end to Red Bull’s efforts to “tarnish” Hamilton’s name. Sadly, the boos from the orange-clad fans after both qualifying and the race in Hungary show that the damage has already been done.

Yet Red Bull has also seen its own perception and role in this title fight change. Once the underdog that could give some fresh blood to the championship and perhaps end Mercedes’ domination - an attractive proposition to the neutral fan - it has come out of this whole affair very badly.

All of this from Autosport. One of the most respected Motorsports Publications in the world.

Good read.

As much as some people want it to be just driver + car + track, that part of the sport is just your profession. When you want to become a champion and an all-time great, it goes beyond that. You have to start looking at other external factors that we don't see on Sunday's - whether it's a drivers race IQ, the team strategists, anything that you don't do in the cockpit. Mercedes has shown everyone time and time again they are very good at that (see: Spanish GP).

[yco]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Yeah man . Let us kneel on your HAM altar !

no need to mate.. but he deserves some respect for sure..

[inTgr8r]

looks like ALO has his sights set on a RB seat next year

[inTgr8r]

loosely quoted....
Karen loves the spotlight and loves to stoke the fire when he should be trying to calm the waters.

Red Bull Team Principal Karen Horner was left to rue another Grand Prix where his team suffered an unfortunate retirement,
this time thanks to a Lap 1 collision triggered by Mercedes’ Valtteri Bottas –
with Karen bitterly suggesting that Bottas had done 'a great job' in hampering the races of both Red Bulls.

[rwheels]

Originally Posted by inTgr8r

looks like ALO has his sights set on a RB seat next year

On that note;

[Ngilbe36]

Originally Posted by MKSixer

Yet Red Bull has also seen its own perception and role in this title fight change. Once the underdog that could give some fresh blood to the championship and perhaps end Mercedes’ domination - an attractive proposition to the neutral fan - it has come out of this whole affair very badly.

This is the key for me

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by TheBingoBalls

Good read.

As much as some people want it to be just driver + car + track, that part of the sport is just your profession. When you want to become a champion and an all-time great, it goes beyond that. You have to start looking at other external factors that we don't see on Sunday's - whether it's a drivers race IQ, the team strategists, anything that you don't do in the cockpit. Mercedes has shown everyone time and time again they are very good at that (see: Spanish GP).

Exactly in so many ways.

What Max is missing is the long view. In my estimation, he should have let HAM take the corner at Silverstone and not try to win the race on the first lap. He had the race speed to cover HAM based on the sprint race results. Rather than do that he did the same thing he did while OCO was unlapping himself in Brazil...red mist collision. This is not the act of a future WDC. HAM learned this lesson in 2016 and has been a harvester of points since that time.

Untl VER learns this, he will be a double digit race winner but zero championships. Much like my 2nd favorite driver growing up...Gilles Villeneuve.

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by Ngilbe36

This is the key for me

They killed their own good will in less than 2 weeks. Spectacularly horrible.

[NickyC]

Originally Posted by fiveohwblow

Don't agree. Strongly disliked it. Turn one BUTTASS ruined it. Verstappen wasn't in it. Vettel handed his second podium the same way and it's taken from him. If I could delete a race this season, it's this one. I won't even get into my boy Lando getting the prison treatment

LoL!

[chuckthis]

Agreed.

[Chappers 71]

My favourite race of the season....so far, looking forward to 27-29th.


Three weeks of inane drivel to lol forward too in the meantime

[Wakka]

I mean not to pick sides or anything but Verstappen literally used to have a website dedicated to all his crashes. Seems the site has since been taken down but there's an article you can see below about it:

https://jalopnik.com/need-to-know-if...-th-1825622020

Max is a hard racer, he brings great racing to F1 which is definitely welcome, I just wish his attitude was better. He is going to be a contender for WDC for years to come as long as whatever team he is with will be able to give him a car worth a damn and that is reliable.

Anyone saying Hamilton isn't one of the best racers of all time is just in denial. Rosberg gave everything he had to beat Hamilton once and called it quits after. He is relentless and consistently good. Not just a few laps here and there, I think Hungary shows that. How about Silverstone last year, he legit did half a lap on 3 wheels and still won. Wild.

He's made quite a few mistakes this year I will say though(Italy, Baku, Hungary just off the top of my head). I wonder if that is the fault of him having no real competition the past 2 years and getting a little comfortable, or maybe hes just starting to come out of his prime.

Riccardo, I really want to like him... I loved him at RB. Ever since it just feels like he's been going down and down and down. Hopefully he figures the Mclaren out and gets going this season. Or maybe Lando really is that good. Who knows?

Alonso was everything we wanted this weekend.

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by Wakka

I mean not to pick sides or anything but Verstappen literally used to have a website dedicated to all his crashes. Seems the site has since been taken down but there's an article you can see below about it:

https://jalopnik.com/need-to-know-if...-th-1825622020

Max is a hard racer, he brings great racing to F1 which is definitely welcome, I just wish his attitude was better. He is going to be a contender for WDC for years to come as long as whatever team he is with will be able to give him a car worth a damn and that is reliable.

Anyone saying Hamilton isn't one of the best racers of all time is just in denial. Rosberg gave everything he had to beat Hamilton once and called it quits after. He is relentless and consistently good. Not just a few laps here and there, I think Hungary shows that. How about Silverstone last year, he legit did half a lap on 3 wheels and still won. Wild.

He's made quite a few mistakes this year I will say though(Italy, Baku, Hungary just off the top of my head). I wonder if that is the fault of him having no real competition the past 2 years and getting a little comfortable, or maybe hes just starting to come out of his prime.

Riccardo, I really want to like him... I loved him at RB. Ever since it just feels like he's been going down and down and down. Hopefully he figures the Mclaren out and gets going this season. Or maybe Lando really is that good. Who knows?

Alonso was everything we wanted this weekend.

Fair and balanced report from a Forum Legend!!! We are in the presence of greatness!!

It's good to see you back around! How have you been?

[Wakka]

Originally Posted by MKSixer

Fair and balanced report from a Forum Legend!!! We are in the presence of greatness!!

It's good to see you back around! How have you been?

Well shit people still recognize me around here. I pop in from time to time. I trolled a COVID thread in OT last year about buying a pallet of TP and people went ape shit. Good times... glad to know I still have the capital troll capabilities in me. Still keep up with a lot of the OT crew on FB we got a whole group.

This thread though... I cant help but think half the posters are just fanboys and don't really care about the racing. I try to be fair when assessing drivers.

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by Wakka

Well shit people still recognize me around here. I pop in from time to time. I trolled a COVID thread in OT last year about buying a pallet of TP and people went ape shit. Good times... glad to know I still have the capital troll capabilities in me. Still keep up with a lot of the OT crew on FB we got a whole group.

This thread though... I cant help but think half the posters are just fanboys and don't really care about the racing. I try to be fair when assessing drivers.

Lol!

We have a few here that really drink the kool-aid. It's remarkable!

Once a BP-OT troll...always a BP-OT troll!! Be well, my friend.

Cheers-mk

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by Wakka

This thread though... I cant help but think half the posters are just fanboys and don't really care about the racing. I try to be fair when assessing drivers.

Welcome back, I'm the resident Kimi / LEC / Ferrari Fanboy

[EdM5]

Max' RB seemed to be seriously hurt though..

source: Jalopnik

[chuckthis]

Originally Posted by Wakka

This thread though... I cant help but think half the posters are just fanboys and don't really care about the racing. I try to be fair when assessing drivers.

F1 hasn't been the same since Sergey Sirotkin lost his drive.

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by chuckthis

F1 hasn't been the same since Sergey Sirotkin lost his drive.

[AmuroRay]

Alonso at his best couldn't even hold off a COVID suffering Hamilton. The talent gap between Hamilton and everyone else is massive, and he's literally being held back by his own car. We are talking about one of the most skilled drivers on the grid, is being praised for just holding Lewis off (not stopping him) and we come to find out that HAM wasn't even at his best.

I don't think you guys truly understand the differences in pure, raw skill that Hamilton has over the rest of F1 - think Tom Brady to the NFL. Unlike Tom Brady, I don't think Hamilton is using witchcraft, but it's hard to deny the pure skill gap that Lewis has on everyone.

You all realize that if it weren't for Mercedes sabotaging HAM (be it for Roseberg's pride, or because they didn't want FIA to come down on Mercedes for HAM's dominance, I don't know) HAM would be on the longest win streak ever.