[The Choosey begger]

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[GeeRam]

Originally Posted by Fundguy1

Shopping for an SMLE III myself. Hard to find an unmolested nice WW1 British one.

They are getting hard to find, WW1 dated with decent shooting barrels especially hard....and those that are around are very expensive now.

There has been a big batch of unmolested SMLE (some really early dates as well) and No.4 that's has been released from Italian reserve stocks a while ago (all handed over to the Italians by Canadian Forces shortly after end of WW2) but not sure if your import rules are allowing them to be imported or not into USA.

I'd love a SMLE, but for some reason the sight picture on them doesn't seem to suit my eye and I really struggle to shoot one well.
The No.4 and No.5 on the other hand I have no such problem, which is why a lovely No.4T sniper rifle, and an equally nice No.5 'Jungle Carbine' are sitting in my rifle cabinet.

.303 ammo on the other is not cheap here in the UK which considering we invented the fuckin stuff is rather annoying, and we can only get either Seller & Belliot or PPU factory ammo here....and 100 rounds of 303 here in UK will cost the equivilant of 93 US dollars!!!
All the old milsurp 303 has pretty much vanished now.

[Fundguy1]

$0.38/ round for Wolf here.

[GeeRam]

Originally Posted by Fundguy1

$0.38/ round for Wolf here.

That's £29/100 in UK price -

[Flyingscotsman]

It's pretty sad that this thread stared off about mass murder and you're discussing the price of bullets now

[BOOF-M3]

I'm staying out of the debate. I don't foresee any of this going anywhere.

[Flyingscotsman]

https://goo.gl/images/EIpIFU

[Maestro]

Originally Posted by anglo

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Because it does not play into their story line, only white guys with gun fetishes kill people, or wearing a uniform.

[Maestro]

Originally Posted by Flyingscotsman

https://goo.gl/images/EIpIFU

I think this is what you meant do

[Flyingscotsman]

Originally Posted by Maestro

I think this is what you meant do

Yeah!
I tried a few times

[Breno_Piece]

i'm certainly not here to tell anyone what's up... i live in Australia, have zero high and mighty complex when it comes to gun regulation. I do believe SOMETHING needs to be done in the states with regards to curbing crazy fuckwits killing people. Mate... that's just not cricket.

regulating guns DOES NOT change the overall crime rate of anywhere. we've established that.
the thing that make me go 'hrrrmmmmm?' is when pro-gun enthusiasts use the argument "But Chicago has the strictest gun regulations in the universe and has a super high gun murder rate blah blah blah..."

yes. i'll try and give an analogy you may understand using my low level of NFL knowledge.

imagine you're an attacking team, and you notice the defensive line has strong areas and weak points. You will OBVIOUSLY exploit that weakness by attacking it with your offensive plays. BUT, imagine if the WHOLE defense acted as one. same strengths. same discipline. it would be MUCH harder to exploit that.

imagine then, that ALL states and territories had the SAME gun laws / restrictions. would that not go some way to curbing this type of shit happening?

example. (again, it may not be accurate, but imagine for a second that i'm right) Nevada has open season. you can buy what you want, limited restrictions. Cali, tight restrictions. magazine size limits, only certain weapons can be bought, mental health / background checks etc.

Obviously that makes it easy to exploit the hole in the defense. buy what you want in Nevada, bring to Cali, fuck some shit up. but if the defense was solid across the states... makes it more difficult.

correct me if i'm wrong. just spit-balling and i've had a LOT of coffee this morning.

[Delta0311]

Originally Posted by Breno_Piece

i'm certainly not here to tell anyone what's up... i live in Australia, have zero high and mighty complex when it comes to gun regulation. I do believe SOMETHING needs to be done in the states with regards to curbing crazy fuckwits killing people. Mate... that's just not cricket.

regulating guns DOES NOT change the overall crime rate of anywhere. we've established that.
the thing that make me go 'hrrrmmmmm?' is when pro-gun enthusiasts use the argument "But Chicago has the strictest gun regulations in the universe and has a super high gun murder rate blah blah blah..."

yes. i'll try and give an analogy you may understand using my low level of NFL knowledge.

imagine you're an attacking team, and you notice the defensive line has strong areas and weak points. You will OBVIOUSLY exploit that weakness by attacking it with your offensive plays. BUT, imagine if the WHOLE defense acted as one. same strengths. same discipline. it would be MUCH harder to exploit that.

imagine then, that ALL states and territories had the SAME gun laws / restrictions. would that not go some way to curbing this type of shit happening?

example. (again, it may not be accurate, but imagine for a second that i'm right) Nevada has open season. you can buy what you want, limited restrictions. Cali, tight restrictions. magazine size limits, only certain weapons can be bought, mental health / background checks etc.

Obviously that makes it easy to exploit the hole in the defense. buy what you want in Nevada, bring to Cali, fuck some shit up. but if the defense was solid across the states... makes it more difficult.

correct me if i'm wrong. just spit-balling and i've had a LOT of coffee this morning.

You don't understand, we are not running around killing each other like its Call of Duty out here. Most of our gun violence is drug related and it usually has to do with gangs. Drugs are illegal in the US and how is that working out for us? Mexico doesn't have a drug problem, Mexico has a distribution problem because they can't get it to us fast enough. The demand is just too fucking high, no pun intended. Nothing sells better than drugs, not even pussy. Money to be made in this is huge and inner city youth are more than happy to fill those distribution positions and all this is backed up with guns.

[Breno_Piece]

I'm not for a second suggesting guns are the root cause of the issue. I'm not naive enough to think that it's 100% carnage over there. I've been before and I'll be back to visit again. Just pointing out that when rules and regulations vary from state to state, city to city, county to county... it's not effective. Unless you have physical checkpoints at EVERY entry / exit point of jurisdictions... and fuck that. practicality has to be a part of the conversation. it's a multi pronged problem and the solution, or the attempted solution should be that also.

[Mr Tonka]

Originally Posted by Breno_Piece

I'm not for a second suggesting guns are the root cause of the issue. I'm not naive enough to think that it's 100% carnage over there. I've been before and I'll be back to visit again. Just pointing out that when rules and regulations vary from state to state, city to city, county to county... it's not effective. Unless you have physical checkpoints at EVERY entry / exit point of jurisdictions... and fuck that. practicality has to be a part of the conversation. it's a multi pronged problem and the solution, or the attempted solution should be that also.

So you propose that because a hand full of how you say, "crazy fuckwits" go off the reservation and decide to kill people before they kill themselves, we collectively should curb the constitutional rights of OVER 150,000,000 law abiding citizens who own guns (yes, that's 6x the total population of your country) in an effort to stop the people who are so fucked up mentally that they decide to kill innocent people to make themselves feel better about their own suicide?

Is that about right?

I'm sorry. I have compassion for those innocent victims of those cowardly fuckwits, but i can not condone penalizing the masses for the actions of an infinitesimally small minority of fuckwits. I really wish we could get to the bottom of the human mind and figure out why it's wires get crossed up within some people. But we can't regulate and legislate out the ill intentions of what amounts to, a hand full of people.

[Breno_Piece]

Originally Posted by Mr Tonka

So you propose that because a hand full of how you say, "crazy fuckwits" go off the reservation and decide to kill people before they kill themselves, we collectively should curb the constitutional rights of OVER 150,000,000 law abiding citizens who own guns (yes, that's 6x the total population of your country) in an effort to stop the people who are so fucked up mentally that they decide to kill innocent people to make themselves feel better about their own suicide?

Is that about right?

I'm sorry. I have compassion for those innocent victims of those cowardly fuckwits, but i can not condone penalizing the masses for the actions of an infinitesimally small minority of fuckwits. I really wish we could get to the bottom of the human mind and figure out why it's wires get crossed up within some people. But we can't regulate and legislate out the ill intentions of what amounts to, a hand full of people.

No. I have never said, nor do i believe, that anyone in the USA shouldn't have the right to have guns. I do believe the process for gaining access to, and the penalties for using them for anything but lawful purposes, should be tightened.
i am also saying, close the gaps that CLEARLY exist and are often pointed out by pro-gun advocates.


It's cool though. Play on. I'm not emotionally invested in this.

[sleeprequired]

Originally Posted by Delta0311

You don't understand, we are not running around killing each other like its Call of Duty out here. Most of our gun violence is drug related and it usually has to do with gangs. Drugs are illegal in the US and how is that working out for us? Mexico doesn't have a drug problem, Mexico has a distribution problem because they can't get it to us fast enough. The demand is just too fucking high, no pun intended. Nothing sells better than drugs, not even pussy. Money to be made in this is huge and inner city youth are more than happy to fill those distribution positions and all this is backed up with guns.

71.5% of all murders involve a gun - 2016

[sleeprequired]

Originally Posted by Breno_Piece

No. I have never said, nor do i believe, that anyone in the USA shouldn't have the right to have guns. I do believe the process for gaining access to, and the penalties for using them for anything but lawful purposes, should be tightened.
i am also saying, close the gaps that CLEARLY exist and are often pointed out by pro-gun advocates.


It's cool though. Play on. I'm not emotionally invested in this.

Breno we applaud your efforts but trust me this goes nowhere. soon they'll tell you that kidney failure kills more people so why bother with gun control.

I'm serious, there's a chart for it a few posts back.

It's pointless.

[Delta0311]

Originally Posted by sleeprequired

71.5% of all murders involve a gun - 2016

Now do a break down where most of these murders occurred and you will prove my point.

[1 AKY]

Originally Posted by Mr Tonka

but i can not condone penalizing the masses for the actions of an infinitesimally small minority of fuckwits. .

Out of curiosity and playing devils advocate, does your view also apply to US Muslims who own guns legally?

Other 'pro-gunners' on here care to share their thoughts?

[Maestro]

Originally Posted by Mr Tonka

So you propose that because a hand full of how you say, "crazy fuckwits" go off the reservation and decide to kill people before they kill themselves, we collectively should curb the constitutional rights of OVER 150,000,000 law abiding citizens who own guns (yes, that's 6x the total population of your country) in an effort to stop the people who are so fucked up mentally that they decide to kill innocent people to make themselves feel better about their own suicide?

Is that about right?

I'm sorry. I have compassion for those innocent victims of those cowardly fuckwits, but i can not condone penalizing the masses for the actions of an infinitesimally small minority of fuckwits. I really wish we could get to the bottom of the human mind and figure out why it's wires get crossed up within some people. But we can't regulate and legislate out the ill intentions of what amounts to, a hand full of people.

No one wants to talk about this. I equate the government's gun control solution as effective as ticking speeder to stop car accidents when we all know most all car accidents are caused by bad drivers not the fact someone is driving faster than a arbitrary speed limit.

It far easier for the government to issue a speeding ticket and actually make sure people know how to drive and are driving safely. They did such a great job at cracking down on bad drivers (Speeder) we now have road rage situation. In typical government fashion, their solution only made an already bad situation worse.

I just read an article about how this is not a mental health issue, and talking about it only diverts attention from and real problem, guns. This person went on to say by making this a mental health issue only disparages those with mental health issue and cause more discrimination against them who are already treated poorly by society. This person solution is since these individual can not be held responsible for their actions we need to remove all things which these people can cause harm. So after the guns it will be trucks and buses. We already locked down the airport so it take two hours to get through and airport.

Just remember this, "You think you have a problem now, wait until you see the solution the government comes up with."

[Maestro]

Originally Posted by 1 AKY

Out of curiosity and playing devils advocate, does your view also apply to US Muslims who own guns legally?

Other 'pro-gunners' on here care to share their thoughts?

Plain and simple this is not a religious thing, at the end of the day we are dealing with humans and humans are unpredictable in spite of what everyone would like to believe. We have group of people solution to being unpredictable is to remove all risks so that one person unpredictability does not effect another person.

Face it someone hell bent on destruction they will most likely be successful, either they kill themselves or they take others with them. It is made worse when the person hell bent on destruction is actually smart, think Unabomber, and now this guy in Vegas. Took the FBI 20 yrs to catch the Unabomber and this guy was hiding in plain sight and no one took notice.

[Hawkeye]

Originally Posted by Breno_Piece

i'm certainly not here to tell anyone what's up... i live in Australia, have zero high and mighty complex when it comes to gun regulation. I do believe SOMETHING needs to be done in the states with regards to curbing crazy fuckwits killing people. Mate... that's just not cricket.

regulating guns DOES NOT change the overall crime rate of anywhere. we've established that.
the thing that make me go 'hrrrmmmmm?' is when pro-gun enthusiasts use the argument "But Chicago has the strictest gun regulations in the universe and has a super high gun murder rate blah blah blah..."

yes. i'll try and give an analogy you may understand using my low level of NFL knowledge.

imagine you're an attacking team, and you notice the defensive line has strong areas and weak points. You will OBVIOUSLY exploit that weakness by attacking it with your offensive plays. BUT, imagine if the WHOLE defense acted as one. same strengths. same discipline. it would be MUCH harder to exploit that.

imagine then, that ALL states and territories had the SAME gun laws / restrictions. would that not go some way to curbing this type of shit happening?

example. (again, it may not be accurate, but imagine for a second that i'm right) Nevada has open season. you can buy what you want, limited restrictions. Cali, tight restrictions. magazine size limits, only certain weapons can be bought, mental health / background checks etc.

Obviously that makes it easy to exploit the hole in the defense. buy what you want in Nevada, bring to Cali, fuck some shit up. but if the defense was solid across the states... makes it more difficult.

correct me if i'm wrong. just spit-balling and i've had a LOT of coffee this morning.

That is actually a pretty good analogy. The difference is that we have so many in circulation, even without any new ones coming in it would take decades to get even most of them out of circulation. Then we have Mexico to the south... who is really really good at smuggling and getting past our patrols. If guns become hard to get here that will just be the next commodity they smuggle in, which will keep guns in the hands of those that are breaking the law well past and bans we put on them.

We have different geographical constraints and known issues with being able to stop things we already consider illegal. Guns will not be any different.