[Litos]

Originally Posted by Vic311

Give me a '69 ZL1, now you're talking. Only 69 made, first of the American muscle to come with the all aluminum ZL1 engines.

although I love me some old school muscle, those cars back then will get outclassed by damn near any sports related car on the market right now...

back then, they were cars with wheels, engines and sticks to keep the wheels on...

nowadays, you have magnetic controlled suspensions, ECU tuning, amazing light weight wheels, sticky tires, etc.....

trust me, I'd kill someone in the face to have a 70 Charger.....

[Vic311]

Originally Posted by Litos

although I love me some old school muscle, those cars back then will get outclassed by damn near any sports related car on the market right now...

back then, they were cars with wheels, engines and sticks to keep the wheels on...

nowadays, you have magnetic controlled suspensions, ECU tuning, amazing light weight wheels, sticky tires, etc.....

trust me, I'd kill someone in the face to have a 70 Charger.....

True. You simply can't compare today's technology with that of yesteryear, but there is a certain nostalgia. And I love limited production cars.

[Bingobimmer]

+1
5.0<M3<Boss 302

American auto makers are pros at giving performance bang for the buck.

Europeans make cars that are works of art.

Japanese make cars that are reliable and reasonable.

Yes I know there are exceptions...

[Alpine435i]

Originally Posted by P1et

They should have high school kids do these tests considering I doubt any self-respecting adult would ever drive a Mustang or Camaro.

You drive a 1-Series.

[Vic311]

Originally Posted by P1et

They should have high school kids do these tests considering I doubt any self-respecting adult would ever drive a Mustang or Camaro.

This thread brings the lulz.

[gatorfast]

Originally Posted by Alpine435i

You drive a 1-Series.

Zing!

[MediaArtist]

Originally Posted by Alpine435i

You drive a 1-Series.

End thread.

[Litos]

Originally Posted by Vic311

True. You simply can't compare today's technology with that of yesteryear, but there is a certain nostalgia. And I love limited production cars.

I'd swim across the ocean, go to Russia and punch Putin square in the face for this car....

[Vanmarsenille]

Originally Posted by Alpine435i

You drive a 1-Series.

[P1]

Originally Posted by Alpine435i

You drive a 1-Series.

Look, you and I both drive girly two door cars. But you have to admit they're fun to razz around in, right?

[Alpine435i]

Originally Posted by P1et

Look, you and I both drive girly two door cars. But you have to admit they're fun to razz around in, right?

[P1]

Originally Posted by Alpine435i

[HFW003]

Originally Posted by Litos

I'd swim across the ocean, go to Russia and punch Putin square in the face for this car....

I'll have one too thanks mate!

[KingOfJericho]

Originally Posted by Alpine435i

You drive a 1-Series.

I've really never understood this sentiment toward the 1-series...

[Billup]

Originally Posted by KingOfJericho

I've really never understood this sentiment toward the 1-series...

It must be the fact that they share the same motor but different body lines and GWR.

[quagmire]

Originally Posted by P1et

Unless it's someone from Top Gear UK doing the tests, any opinion or test is worthless.

And you just lost all credibility......

Top Gear is an entertainment show. Their anti-American shenanigans is part of what the makes the show so great, but don't believe anything on that show.

[BenchRacerYo]

Originally Posted by KingOfJericho

I've really never understood this sentiment toward the 1-series...

+1

The 1 series is more fun to drive and more tuneable than say...

A 435i.

[P1]

Originally Posted by quagmire

And you just lost all credibility......

Top Gear is an entertainment show. Their anti-American shenanigans is part of what the makes the show so great, but don't believe anything on that show.

You don't believe anything on Top Gear UK???

[quagmire]

Originally Posted by P1et

You don't believe anything on Top Gear UK???

Not from the bumbling idiots anyway. The lap times with the Stig are about the only thing that have credibility.

The show is about entertainment. I love the show, but that is not a source for a serious car review.

Hell even a producer says it is written for 9 year olds.....

http://www.autoblog.com/2014/01/31/t...r-9-year-olds/

[P1]

Originally Posted by quagmire

Not from the bumbling idiots anyway. The lap times with the Stig are about the only thing that have credibility.

The show is about entertainment. I love the show, but that is not a source for a serious car review.

Hell even a producer says it is written for 9 year olds.....

http://www.autoblog.com/2014/01/31/t...r-9-year-olds/

Not just the show mate, you know they have a magazine also, right? And it's very good.

[epic]

Originally Posted by BenchRacerYo

Dumb statement is dumb.

-Z28 Camaro (Nurburgring top 25, I believe?)
-ZL1 Camaro (Nurburgring top 50)
-Camaro SS 1LE
-Mustang GT 5.0 Track pack
-Boss 302
-Chevy C6 Corvette base
-Corvette C6 grand sport
-C6 Z06 (14th fastest Nurburgring time)
-C6 ZR1 (12th fastest Nurburgring time)
-Latest gen Viper
-Viper SRT10 ACR
-Cadillac CTS-V
-C7 Stingray
-Saleen cars
-SSC cars
-Ford GT (Le Mans, anyone?)
All American cars that will outhandle and shit on any BMW, stock for stock.

Nailed it.

But I am shocked to find out my M235i is hanging tall with some of those on certain tracks. The latest one on Willow Springs was an eye-opener.

Lap times (78)
Pos Make / Model Time Year Power (hp) / Weight (kg) Driven by

22. Chevrolet SS 1:25.71 '14 421 / 1800 Randy Probst
23. Ford Mustang GT 5.0 1:25.77 '12 426 / 1641 Randy Pobst
24. Ford Mustang Boss 302 LS 1:26.10 '12 443 / 1652
25. Subaru WRX STI 1:26.12 '14 309 / 1545 Randy Pobst
26. Mercedes CLA 45 AMG 1:26.20 '13 360 / 1395 Randy Pobst
27. BMW M235i 1:26.37 '14 326 / 1455 Randy Pobst
28. Audi R8 4.2 FSI quattro 1:26.92 '06 420 / 1560
29. Porsche Cayman S 1:27.00 '13 325 / 1320
30. Chrysler 300C SRT8 HEMI sedan 1:27.00 0 435 / 2000 Randy Pobst
31. Porsche Boxster Spyder 1:27.10 '10 320 / 1275
32. Chevrolet Corvette Grand Sport C6 1:27.29 '10 436 / 1542

[P1]

Originally Posted by epic

Nailed it.

But I am shocked to find out my M235i is hanging tall with some of those on certain tracks. The latest one on Willow Springs was an eye-opener.

Lap times (78)
Pos Make / Model Time Year Power (hp) / Weight (kg) Driven by

22. Chevrolet SS 1:25.71 '14 421 / 1800 Randy Probst
23. Ford Mustang GT 5.0 1:25.77 '12 426 / 1641 Randy Pobst
24. Ford Mustang Boss 302 LS 1:26.10 '12 443 / 1652
25. Subaru WRX STI 1:26.12 '14 309 / 1545 Randy Pobst
26. Mercedes CLA 45 AMG 1:26.20 '13 360 / 1395 Randy Pobst
27. BMW M235i 1:26.37 '14 326 / 1455 Randy Pobst
28. Audi R8 4.2 FSI quattro 1:26.92 '06 420 / 1560
29. Porsche Cayman S 1:27.00 '13 325 / 1320
30. Chrysler 300C SRT8 HEMI sedan 1:27.00 0 435 / 2000 Randy Pobst
31. Porsche Boxster Spyder 1:27.10 '10 320 / 1275
32. Chevrolet Corvette Grand Sport C6 1:27.29 '10 436 / 1542

There are some impressive cars on this list, but admit: the M235i is no slouch.