777-200 Missing

KwlAznKid · 03-10-2014, 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Vic311

Actually they reported it could have crashed without leaving debris, if it had fallen and entered the water whole. The debris would then be minimal. They are going to have to start looking under water.

not questioning you or anything but what is the source of that? I find that pretty crazy

Maestro · 03-10-2014, 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Vic311

Actually they reported it could have crashed without leaving debris, if it had fallen and entered the water whole. The debris would then be minimal. They are going to have to start looking under water.

I personally highly doubt this if they crashed, if it was some sort of controlled crash or landing on water maybe, but the plane would still be floating in the water like the plane that landed in the Hudson river. The only way the plane is going to the bottom is if it broke apart and all the contents in the plane would float to the surface.

The plane electronically just disappears, it was there one minute and gone the next. I can immediately think of two reason for this, there could be more. First instance catastrophic failure of the entire plane, which goes back to where is the debris field. Second and I am not sure if this can be done on modern planes today, is someone turned off all the radios and electronics which report the plans location. I know people said they had the plane on Radar, but that is generic term. They may not have been tracking is with actual radar waves but using the planes location transponders which send back it actual position to the tracking station. How so you think you can track a plane route on those phone apps.

Once they find the plane, and figure it out, it may not sound as strange as I am make it out to be, however, things are not adding up for me.

F1Venom · 03-10-2014, 01:00 PM

Maybe they got hit by an EMP? It would explain them not being able to call in an emergency and there not being debris found floating. Or they got abducted by aliens.

Maestro · 03-10-2014, 01:36 PM

http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/...249186351.html

At this point the list is long of what happen, but the experts believe something catastrophic happen very fast, but again where is the debris field, two days of searching and still nothing. The other thing the plan was flying over well traveled shipping channels, everyday cargo ships should have seen something by now.

As you would expect profession Pilots are talking about this

http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/5...tact-lost.html

KingOfJericho · 03-10-2014, 01:39 PM

The only reason the Sully flight was able to land on the Hudson was because it's a relatively calm body of water. The open ocean is a rough place, to say the least.

The strange part is that there was no radio distress call which points to two possible scenarios (there could be more, but these are my thoughts). The first is that something catastrophic occurred which did not give them time. The second would be a total electronics failure which would also not allow them to retain radio contact or give a distress signal.

It is quite odd that there is no debris field but people forget just how large the oceans really are. I was on a sailboat for three weeks in the caribbean and lost sight of land for several days. It's a really creepy feeling.

Maestro · 03-10-2014, 02:48 PM

I just read the French Flight that crashed in the Atlantic in 2009, they did not find the first bit of debris for 10 days, but remember that flight when down in a really bad storm and currents are really fast in the Atlantic and they did not crash in a major shipping channel.

They said the weather were calm in area of Malaysia and currents are only 1 MPH. They are not looking on the opposite side of the Malaysia from where the plane was heading. I suspect we looking at some long time before they come up with anything.

Maestro · 03-10-2014, 03:57 PM

Here is some other information, the plane does have the ability to send msgs back to Boeing if something was going wrong, but they did not get anything, it also has the ability to send maintenance information about how the plane is performing but this plane did not have those features.

http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...A291D520140310

EdM5 · 03-10-2014, 04:17 PM

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Air NZ is very safe. I wouldn't worry too much about that. Asian airlines on the other hand, I don't know if I can trust their maintenance and inspections.

Well Singapore, Cathay and Malaysia rank among the very best.

BayMoWe335 · 03-10-2014, 06:49 PM

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Well Singapore, Cathay and Malaysia rank among the very best.

Very true. Malaysian Air only has one other incident back in like the 70s.

Vic311 · 03-10-2014, 07:08 PM

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Originally Posted by KwlAznKid

not questioning you or anything but what is the source of that? I find that pretty crazy

I was watching some analysts talk about on CNN last night. It might be hype but that is what they said.

TrevorM3 · 03-10-2014, 08:24 PM

can you imagine having a family member on this flight? man... wow.

synclastica_86 · 03-10-2014, 10:19 PM

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The most striking thing about this is the fact they are finding no evidences of the plane hitting the water.

If it blew up, debris would be all over the place and floating in the water, similar to the 747 which had its main gas tank blow up over the ocean off the shores of NY Long Island. They even found surface evidence of the airliner flying from South America to Europe that went down in bad weather in the Atlantic Ocean.

A plane does not blow up or crash into water without leaving a debris field. The only way to do that is to land on water intact which can be done and then sink the plane in whole by letting water in,

Actually they reported it could have crashed without leaving debris, if it had fallen and entered the water whole. The debris would then be minimal. They are going to have to start looking under water.

If it landed on the water soft enough not to create a debris field, then people would have gotten out. If there was somehow an opening for water to rush in at such a rate that the plane sank whole before ppl could get out, the same opening would let some of the more buoyant objects escape once the wreckage settles underwater. In either case, the would be significant evidence visible on the ocean surface.

The only reason that they are not finding anything is that they are looking in the wrong places. It is quite probable that the plane went off course after some incident. Assuming that the incident occurred at 35,000ft and an emergency descend at 10 degrees (more than 3 times the normal glide slope), the plane can be anywhere in are area of 11,500 km square. The size of the debris field should be no more than a few times the size of the plane; thus, it should be on the order of 0.1 km square. With an area ratio of 100,000 to 1, that's like looking for a drop of oil on the surface of your swimming pool while you can only look through a small 1 inch square window at a time.

F1Venom · 03-11-2014, 12:44 AM

My belief is that this is some terrorist attack or a govt. screw up but they don't want to leak that info because they don't want to ignite something.

fatpanda · 03-11-2014, 12:57 AM

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Originally Posted by TrevorM3

can you imagine having a family member on this flight? man... wow.

239 pple on that plane... its amazing that in this day n age so many can just disappear without a trace!!!

this is getting ridiculous...

Maestro · 03-11-2014, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by synclastica_86

If it landed on the water soft enough not to create a debris field, then people would have gotten out. If there was somehow an opening for water to rush in at such a rate that the plane sank whole before ppl could get out, the same opening would let some of the more buoyant objects escape once the wreckage settles underwater. In either case, the would be significant evidence visible on the ocean surface.

The only reason that they are not finding anything is that they are looking in the wrong places. It is quite probable that the plane went off course after some incident. Assuming that the incident occurred at 35,000ft and an emergency descend at 10 degrees (more than 3 times the normal glide slope), the plane can be anywhere in are area of 11,500 km square. The size of the debris field should be no more than a few times the size of the plane; thus, it should be on the order of 0.1 km square. With an area ratio of 100,000 to 1, that's like looking for a drop of oil on the surface of your swimming pool while you can only look through a small 1 inch square window at a time.

I do not disagree, however, you have to keep in mind where this plane went down is some of the most heaviest used shipping lanes in the world. also the water are not that rough in this region except during the Monsoon season which was last fall.

The authorities are now saying the plane turned and head back in the opposite direction and flew up to 350 miles, to you point they were looking in the wrong place, however, again it flew into a region which is also heavily used by shipping, and you know all the shipping in the area have been put on notice.

The only logic explanation I have heard so far is what happen to the Egyptian 990 flight that nose dives into the ocean and buried itself in the ocean floor mud. They said this area have very thick mud on the ocean floor and could have swallowed up a plane.

dx1541 · 03-11-2014, 10:36 AM

4th day today and they still haven't found the plane! It is really mysterious how it happened but everybody is praying hard here back home... Gosh may well be the worse airline tragic in our airline flight history...

KingOfJericho · 03-11-2014, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by dx1541

4th day today and they still haven't found the plane! It is really mysterious how it happened but everybody is praying hard here back home... Gosh may well be the worse airline tragic in our airline flight history...

In Malaysian airline flight history, probably.

fatpanda · 03-11-2014, 11:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Maestro

The authorities are now saying the plane turned and head back in the opposite direction and flew up to 350 miles, to you point they were looking in the wrong place, however, again it flew into a region which is also heavily used by shipping, and you know all the shipping in the area have been put on notice.

needless to say malaysian authorities' handling of this incident is a PR disaster... first they said its in south china sea, now its in malacca straits... soon the moon?

Maestro · 03-11-2014, 11:57 AM

Here is a new theory which is being considered, if you assume the plane did not crash when it disappear from the tracking systems like Radar and location transponders and the plane kept flying, someone calculated the radius of the planes flight

A Radius Map

If this was the case the plane could be anywhere in the radius and it went down in water they may never find it any time soon.

E90SLAM · 03-11-2014, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by fatpanda

needless to say malaysian authorities' handling of this incident is a PR disaster... first they said its in south china sea, now its in malacca straits... soon the moon?

Sadly there wasn't a lot of useful information regarding the plane's last known position.

They were searching South China Sea because its close to its last radio communication and flight path.

But now the Malaysian Military said the plane might headed back and flown for another hour. Which heads back to KL and Malacca Straight.

Prayers to the lost passengers and crews, and their family.

Maestro · 03-11-2014, 12:20 PM

Here is to use a mythbuster term "Plausible" theory of what could have happen

http://mh370lost.tumblr.com/?og=1

But is does not explain real well why the plane went radio and transmission silent. These systems are usually redundant and not located in the same place for redundancy reasons.

grimlock · 03-11-2014, 12:54 PM

"Maybe somebody on the flight has bought a huge sum of insurance, who wants family to gain from it or somebody who has owed somebody so much money, you know, we are looking at all possibilities," Malaysian police chief Khalid Abu Bakar told a news conference."

Really? I hope he is kidding if this is the kind of judgement that is conducting the operation.
I mean the only thing I can think of that is worse is the Phillippine government.

What about the two young Iranians with the fake passports? Oh they're just economic/polictical refugees on the way to europe via Beijing.

Just gotta love the mass incompetence the Bumi Putra affirmitave action has breed. Malaysia sure ain't no Singapore..

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F1Venom Banned 76 Rep 961 Posts Drives: ZCP E90 M3 Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: USA iTrader: (0)	Maybe they got hit by an EMP? It would explain them not being able to call in an emergency and there not being debris found floating. Or they got abducted by aliens.
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Maestro Major 1074 Rep 1,268 Posts Drives: 2007 335i Sedan, 2021 X3 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Philadelphia iTrader: (0)	http://www.nbcphiladelphia.com/news/...249186351.html At this point the list is long of what happen, but the experts believe something catastrophic happen very fast, but again where is the debris field, two days of searching and still nothing. The other thing the plan was flying over well traveled shipping channels, everyday cargo ships should have seen something by now. As you would expect profession Pilots are talking about this http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/5...tact-lost.html
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KingOfJericho Major General 2458 Rep 7,341 Posts Drives: Yes Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: CT iTrader: (1) Garage List 2010 135i Coupe [5.26]	The only reason the Sully flight was able to land on the Hudson was because it's a relatively calm body of water. The open ocean is a rough place, to say the least. The strange part is that there was no radio distress call which points to two possible scenarios (there could be more, but these are my thoughts). The first is that something catastrophic occurred which did not give them time. The second would be a total electronics failure which would also not allow them to retain radio contact or give a distress signal. It is quite odd that there is no debris field but people forget just how large the oceans really are. I was on a sailboat for three weeks in the caribbean and lost sight of land for several days. It's a really creepy feeling. __________________ The views and opinions expressed in this post are those of the author and do not necessarily reflect the official policy or position of Bimmerpost. 2018 Jeep Grand Cherokee High Altitude Hemi \| 2010 S4 Sold \| 2010 BMW 135i Retired \| 2006 Lotus Exige Sold
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Maestro Major 1074 Rep 1,268 Posts Drives: 2007 335i Sedan, 2021 X3 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Philadelphia iTrader: (0)	I just read the French Flight that crashed in the Atlantic in 2009, they did not find the first bit of debris for 10 days, but remember that flight when down in a really bad storm and currents are really fast in the Atlantic and they did not crash in a major shipping channel. They said the weather were calm in area of Malaysia and currents are only 1 MPH. They are not looking on the opposite side of the Malaysia from where the plane was heading. I suspect we looking at some long time before they come up with anything.
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Maestro Major 1074 Rep 1,268 Posts Drives: 2007 335i Sedan, 2021 X3 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Philadelphia iTrader: (0)	Here is some other information, the plane does have the ability to send msgs back to Boeing if something was going wrong, but they did not get anything, it also has the ability to send maintenance information about how the plane is performing but this plane did not have those features. http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/...A291D520140310
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F1Venom Banned 76 Rep 961 Posts Drives: ZCP E90 M3 Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: USA iTrader: (0)	My belief is that this is some terrorist attack or a govt. screw up but they don't want to leak that info because they don't want to ignite something.
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dx1541 First Lieutenant 9 Rep 305 Posts Drives: E92 335is blue water metallic Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: Malaysia iTrader: (1)	4th day today and they still haven't found the plane! It is really mysterious how it happened but everybody is praying hard here back home... Gosh may well be the worse airline tragic in our airline flight history...
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Maestro Major 1074 Rep 1,268 Posts Drives: 2007 335i Sedan, 2021 X3 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Philadelphia iTrader: (0)	Here is a new theory which is being considered, if you assume the plane did not crash when it disappear from the tracking systems like Radar and location transponders and the plane kept flying, someone calculated the radius of the planes flight A Radius Map If this was the case the plane could be anywhere in the radius and it went down in water they may never find it any time soon.
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Maestro Major 1074 Rep 1,268 Posts Drives: 2007 335i Sedan, 2021 X3 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Philadelphia iTrader: (0)	Here is to use a mythbuster term "Plausible" theory of what could have happen http://mh370lost.tumblr.com/?og=1 But is does not explain real well why the plane went radio and transmission silent. These systems are usually redundant and not located in the same place for redundancy reasons.
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grimlock Colonel 723 Rep 2,003 Posts Drives: F10 N52B30@255PS Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Hong Kong iTrader: (0)	"Maybe somebody on the flight has bought a huge sum of insurance, who wants family to gain from it or somebody who has owed somebody so much money, you know, we are looking at all possibilities," Malaysian police chief Khalid Abu Bakar told a news conference." Really? I hope he is kidding if this is the kind of judgement that is conducting the operation. I mean the only thing I can think of that is worse is the Phillippine government. What about the two young Iranians with the fake passports? Oh they're just economic/polictical refugees on the way to europe via Beijing. Just gotta love the mass incompetence the Bumi Putra affirmitave action has breed. Malaysia sure ain't no Singapore..
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