[BaLLzZz]

but the clutch is you not the chip. Secondly see if they cna give u a new tranny again under warrenty then all you have left is the turbo and pistons. good luck

[561design]

I can't believe you guys. The OP made a very vague post an you guys are agreeing with him? Exactly what broke and how? Stating that the turbo, tranny, clutch and pistons is still pretty vague. What other work do you have done to the car. Did the dealer provide you with a list of the CEL's? If so what are they?

[335rocket]

thanks man. grey poplar wood trim. I love it. If they made that in the 135, that would be amazing

[Maestro]

The simple question that has to be answer is how do you know the mod is what cause the engine problem, what exactly broke with the car, once you understand that then you ask how did the mod affect the failure of car.

If you can show the problem you had could only happen due to the mod then you do not have much to stand on with Audi. Warranty laws are pretty clear on that issue.

If you can not make the connection between the failure and the mod then I would say they have to fix it. But I can tell you this, the dealership is not going to waste their time documenting how the mod did or didn't causes the failure.

It is just easier for them to just say the problem would never have occurred if the mod was not there. You can argue all you want with them but it usually less costly for them to just ignore you and make you do all the work to show it was not the mod that caused the problem or you come in with lawyers either way it is going to cost you time and money.

[335rocket]

I think I expained everything in full detail. All the the car had was the ecu APR software upgrade. The tranny, clucth, turbo and pistons are blown due to too muc boost that the car couldnt handle. How is that vague??????

[Maestro]

Originally Posted by 335rocket

I think I expained everything in full detail. All the the car had was the ecu APR software upgrade. The tranny, clucth, turbo and pistons are blown due to too muc boost that the car couldnt handle. How is that vague??????

First off I am not sure how a clutch and trans get blown from too much boost, plus you said you never got on it. I have seen clutches and manual transmission take lots of abusive before they give out. Now if your torque was too high usually you get clutch slip if you get on it too much, but that usually causes the clutch to burn up not damage the trany.

Now the turbos and pistons are another story. I am not sure the whole story is being told, since boost is usually directly related to how quick you press the gas pedal and engine RMPs. Usually tubo's are not under continuous boost, if they were you would have noticed it all the time when you press the gas, the car would run hard and always want to jump forward.

[S_M]

Dude there are literally thousands of vw's and audis running around with apr software. Im sure less than 1% of them have your problems, if even that much.

You have absolutely no case against apr at all. You should probably kick yourself in the ass for not having a boost guage or proper knowledge of what you were doing. Not to mention blowing a clucth on a virtually stock car, which has absolutley nothing to do with apr, that clutch should last 100k miles if not more with that little power...

[Chowbow]

I ran an APR chip on my S4 for years, 80k miles and it did not blow my engine up. The timing belt snapped though and that did blow my engine. I only had 28k miles on that timing belt too, but that kinda crap happens. Up until the timing belt snap it was running great actually and I really liked the car.

Good luck on winning the lawsuit, highly doubt you'll get anything. You chipped the car, ran it out of spec, and you blew it. It's your own problem. Trannies and clutches don't blow out with "too much boost." I had over 100 1/4 mile passes on my S4, probably 200+ 6k+RPM launches, and the tranny itself was still fine. The rear diff was shot, but that was to be expected. Even the clutch was surprisingly in half decent shape.

If you weren't willing to pay to replace the motor, should've never chipped it in the first place.

[335rocket]

than what else could it be. I know how to drive stick very well. Cars dont just fall apart like that. If not the APR chip, than what else could it be???? Thats the only thing I can think of. And Im sure there are a whole lot more than 1% of apr cars that have had many problems

[S4to335]

I had APR software on two of my audis...and never had any issue...and one was an aggressive 100 octane program. I think you will have little ground to stand on regarding this. You play..you pay. I really dont think that the chip did this...I think you had issues with your car already...and now the dealership is doing the pointing of the chip causing it so they dont have to eat a warranty claim on an engine. Audi dealers are clamping down on chip tuning and whenever they can put blame on a chip..they will. BTW, I use to be a service advisor at an Audi dealership....albeit a short one.

[335rocket]

but how does a car just fall apart like that if it wasnt the chip? and how do I get out of paying. Im fucked. Its sucks soo bad

[Chowbow]

You are f-ed, and you can't get out of paying for it. Blaming somebody else is not the answer. Suing the chip manufacturer is not the answer, and the lawsuit will cost you a pretty penny regardless.

Here's one way... sell the car super cheap to someone who wants a project. I lost about $8k on my S4, but I don't have the time, space, patience, and full knowledge to rip apart the motor and rebuild it.

My advice: sell it or suck it up and learn your lesson.

[DasBlitz]

It all depends on what the item states on the box or whatever receipt you got.

If the company is foolish and in no way stated anything. Then possibly you have a case if you can prove things.

Granted, members are saying you pay to play. But at the same time, not saying APR doesnt, but at the same time the company selling these mods needs to make sure that they dont do it too extreme and just allow it to have a bit of coverage.

[335rocket]

wouldnt you look to blame someone else if ur car was chipped and fell apart???Im not saying thats definately what caused the problem but its the only thing I can think of. its not that easy just to suck it up.

[T Bone]

Originally Posted by 335rocket

wouldnt you look to blame someone else if ur car was chipped and fell apart???Im not saying thats definately what caused the problem but its the only thing I can think of. its not that easy just to suck it up.

If APR is any type of professional company, you would have signed something along the way that absolves them of any direct or contingent liability.

Did you sign anything? Did you break a seal that said "if you break this seal, you are deemed to have read the license agreement etc..."


I know you are looking for something / some company to blame but as many others have stated, you bore the risk of increasing boost / HP with a chip......no way Audi is responsible.

[Josh49]

To be honest, it just sounds like an Audi. I loved that A4, but damn did it always have problems.. I bet you'd have that same issue whether or not you had your chip..

[Chowbow]

Originally Posted by 335rocket

wouldnt you look to blame someone else if ur car was chipped and fell apart???Im not saying thats definately what caused the problem but its the only thing I can think of. its not that easy just to suck it up.

No, not really. My car was chipped, and fell apart. It wasn't the chip's fault. I replaced the timing belt as Audi stated I should, along with all the accessories. The timing belt still snapped 28k miles later (they're good for 60k miles). My $15k blue book car sold for $6500 to a mechanic. It's not that easy to just suck it up but it's what you should do, not try to blame it on somebody else.

[///Matt]

Bro, you're stuck.

You chipped the car, which increased the boost. Then, the engine couldn't handle the boost, and blew up.

You don't think this is your fault? You knew you were taking risks. APR is not at fault, and you certainly shouldn't be trying to screw the dealer. They've done nothing to deserve to have to fix your car for free.

You fucked up, and now you need to pay for it. Not sue someone, or argue with the dealer until it's cheaper.

Fuckin' man up.

[335rocket]

damn!!!!! you people arent much help at all. Just like to criticize!!! Cant I get any support?? shit?!?! I dont understand how so many of you are saying APR is not at fault. There maybe nothing I can do about it but just bite the bullet and pay for the damages, but Im 95% sure thats what caused the problem and to say its not APRs fault is obserd because it is. Hey I know its also my fault for chipping it knowing the risks I dont deny that, but the fact of the matter is that their product (most likely, not saying definately) ruined my car. End of story. btw to //Matt, that was a real d*ckhead response.

[DasBlitz]

As stated, thing back and see if you have any paper or box that states if they are liable or not. And in what situations.

The company can be liable if the chip for some reason acted up or for some reason wasnt specd right.

Also have you contacted them? dont just sue them. That will just piss them off.

[T Bone]

Originally Posted by 335rocket

damn!!!!! you people arent much help at all. Just like to criticize!!! Cant I get any support?? shit?!?! I dont understand how so many of you are saying APR is not at fault. There maybe nothing I can do about it but just bite the bullet and pay for the damages, but Im 95% sure thats what caused the problem and to say its not APRs fault is obserd because it is. Hey I know its also my fault for chipping it knowing the risks I dont deny that, but the fact of the matter is that their product (most likely, not saying definately) ruined my car. End of story. btw to //Matt, that was a real d*ckhead response.

///Matt was just summarizing in a very curt way.

If you are looking for emotional support, you have it from most of us but don't expect us to give you a silver bullet to fix this mess....

Chalk it up as an expensive lesson.

[PaPaGz]

i currently have a chipped 2.0T man...your chip didnt cause that. No APR chip has caused a tranny to blow and a motor as well. APR actually runs less boost and so forth compared to my Revo which runs higher boost and usually higher temps too...im sorry to say but something was wrong w/ your car before. My cousin had his A4 lemoned due to problems such as that, but it was stock and an auto. His motor blew, and caught on fire on the freeway (within 3k miles of ownership) so it could be a motor problem. your first issue was not locking out the chip when it went in for service