BMW 1 Series Sedan Coming, But in FWD :(

Matski · 09-27-2013, 09:17 AM

Well: I just dug this out http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=774601 to see how things are evolving.

One question though, if the UKL platform is also xDrive compatible, and BMW will be offering 3 cylinder engines, that push out 160-230hp, then wouldn't there be room to mount the 3 cyl longitudinally, and just take drive to the rear wheels as the xDrive would.

mkoesel · 09-27-2013, 09:18 AM

Not unexpected given past comments from SCOTT. Those wanting a sub-3 4-door will still have the 2GC. We already new the next generation 1 Series would be all FWD (so no more RWD hatchbacks either ).

As for the 2, previously I've said no way they will move to UKL next generation, but I admit the case for that happening is also building. The FWD Z1 is rumored to be on the way, and that certainly could have been a candidate for the 2 platform instead.

The problem is, if BMW keeps growing the size of the cars each generation, do we eventually have all FWD cars? If not, when and how does it all stop?

flamingo98039 · 09-27-2013, 09:45 AM

FWD ?? berkkkk

mookie45 · 09-27-2013, 09:48 AM

what an epic fail...why does BMW have to follow what everyone else is producing (FWD)?

Ghetto2315 · 09-27-2013, 10:00 AM

Hopefully this crap doesn't make it over to the states...

zuggerat89 · 09-27-2013, 10:10 AM

This is akin to a great rock musician selling out and making a pop song to boost record sales.

Whatever BMW, whatever.

lasovan · 09-27-2013, 10:13 AM

No, it'll come in AWD as well and that's what counts for me here in the Alps.

For anybody who's asking why is BMW doing this, the answer is packaging. So it makes sense for smaller cars as the new 1 sedan and hatch. The transversally mounted engine leaves more space to be used for the cabin. That's why the side view of the previous and current 1 series hatch (longitudinally mounted engine) is so different to other hatches and that's why the new A-class MB (transversally mounted engine) is so cute (to many, not to me).

kdbryce · 09-27-2013, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by bimmerjph

If the 3 and 4 series are the smallest RWD cars available, then not only am I never buying a new BMW but I am done being a BMW enthusiast. I am tired of getting shafted at the release of every new model.

+100

late apex · 09-27-2013, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by mookie45

what an epic fail...why does BMW have to follow what everyone else is producing (FWD)?

Because they're competing with everyone else. If Mercedes and Audi are offering little FWD cars, BMW probably doesn't feel like they can win over enough customers with a RWD model. So they'll offer FWD & AWD as well. As enthusiast we want RWD, but it's the masses that companies make the majority of their money from. The FWD cars that Mercedes and Audi make aren't for enthusiast either so this is BMW positioning themselves to compete for overall sales. Hopefully BMW has plans in place for some new RWD cars to please enthusiast.

Reedomn · 09-27-2013, 10:23 AM

Just drive backwards.....!!??

Never Convicted · 09-27-2013, 10:27 AM

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Originally Posted by zuggerat89

This is akin to a great rock musician selling out and making a pop song to boost record sales.

Whatever BMW, whatever.

Cats and dogs...sleeping together! We're talking Armageddon man!

Roberto Cervezas · 09-27-2013, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by late apex

Because they're competing with everyone else. If Mercedes and Audi are offering little FWD cars, BMW probably doesn't feel like they can win over enough customers with a RWD model. So they'll offer FWD & AWD as well. As enthusiast we want RWD, but it's the masses that companies make the majority of their money from. The FWD cars that Mercedes and Audi make aren't for enthusiast either so this is BMW positioning themselves to compete for overall sales. Hopefully BMW has plans in place for some new RWD cars to please enthusiast.

This is on target. True enthusiasts make up a small portion of not only BMW's sales, but even brands like Porsche have a large number of people that buy just for the name.

SAM135iAM · 09-27-2013, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by wakedaze

BMW is REALLY positioning itself to be the German Toyota.

Minus the Toyota reliability.

Teutonic · 09-27-2013, 10:33 AM

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Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Let's see how close BMW gets to their hallowed 50/50 weight distribution with this one!

I guess this one will finaly have a spare?

The lack of spare tire is a big issue for me here in Canada. This is not Europe with a car service at every corner... Since I bought the bimmer, I was afraid to go out with my OUTdoor vehicle. If I get a flat I am screwed, maybe in the hands of an indiferent towing idiot that will scratch all my car.

However, rather than buying a FWD BMW, i will probably buy a Honda. It is cheaper, more reliable and ... it will be compromise free and worry free because it has a spare.

LuisBoston · 09-27-2013, 10:40 AM

My 2013 128i RWD NA I6 is going to be a classic.

Fraggy · 09-27-2013, 10:43 AM

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Originally Posted by Tracus

Quote:

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

Let's see how close BMW gets to their hallowed 50/50 weight distribution with this one!

I guess this one will finaly have a spare?

The lack of spare tire is a big issue for me here in Canada. This is not Europe with a car service at every corner... Since I bought the bimmer, I was afraid to go out with my OUTdoor vehicle. If I get a flat I am screwed, maybe in the hands of an indiferent towing idiot that will scratch all my car.

However, rather than buying a FWD BMW, i will probably buy a Honda. It is cheaper, more reliable and ... it will be compromise free and worry free because it has a spare.

On top of that, the last Honda I drove which belong to a friend of mine, and accord coupe, drove really really well!

IEDEI · 09-27-2013, 10:45 AM

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Originally Posted by lem144

My 2013 128i RWD NA I6 is going to be a classic.

unless BMW recall your car and FORCE you to convert it to FWD!

tony20009 · 09-27-2013, 10:47 AM

I too hope your logic is wrong. I've been waiting for the 2er as it's more in line, size wize, with what I'd want as a replacement for my E92.

This news, along with everything I've felt and read about the 4er just makes me think I really need to take good care of my E92 to make it last as long as is possible. I fear BMW may not again make a car that I really will like just as much and that is in a similar price range.

LuisBoston · 09-27-2013, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by tony20009

I too hope your logic is wrong. I've been waiting for the 2er as it's more in line, size wize, with what I'd want as a replacement for my E92.

This news, along with everything I've felt and read about the 4er just makes me think I really need to take good care of my E92 to make it last as long as is possible. I fear BMW may not again make a car that I really will like just as much and that is in a similar price range.

You can still get a sewing machine smooth 128i. RWD. hydraulic steering. Classic.

zuggerat89 · 09-27-2013, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Never Convicted

Quote:

Originally Posted by zuggerat89

This is akin to a great rock musician selling out and making a pop song to boost record sales.

Whatever BMW, whatever.

Cats and dogs...sleeping together! We're talking Armageddon man!

Exactly! It's blasphemy!

Gastoys · 09-27-2013, 10:54 AM

BMW should change their message from Ultimate driving to Ultimate shareholders

With their Smartcar like i8 and fwd economy boxes, what is next, mini vans

vladberca · 09-27-2013, 10:55 AM

2 series will have RWD, as Scott said: Coupe, Cabrio, GC, etc.
1 series wil be FWD. I'm curious who's on target for these models? Only new BMW customers?
I don't think we'll see many actual BMW customers to make the switch to a FWD car as they already like a RWD BMW.

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Matski Captain 161 Rep 842 Posts Drives: A slow BMW Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: England iTrader: (0)	Well: I just dug this out http://www.e90post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=774601 to see how things are evolving. One question though, if the UKL platform is also xDrive compatible, and BMW will be offering 3 cylinder engines, that push out 160-230hp, then wouldn't there be room to mount the 3 cyl longitudinally, and just take drive to the rear wheels as the xDrive would.
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mkoesel Moderator 7544 Rep 19,368 Posts Drives: No BMW for now Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Canton, MI iTrader: (1)	Not unexpected given past comments from SCOTT. Those wanting a sub-3 4-door will still have the 2GC. We already new the next generation 1 Series would be all FWD (so no more RWD hatchbacks either ). As for the 2, previously I've said no way they will move to UKL next generation, but I admit the case for that happening is also building. The FWD Z1 is rumored to be on the way, and that certainly could have been a candidate for the 2 platform instead. The problem is, if BMW keeps growing the size of the cars each generation, do we eventually have all FWD cars? If not, when and how does it all stop?
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zuggerat89 Still waiting... 25 Rep 886 Posts Drives: OGV Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Monmouth County, NJ iTrader: (0)	This is akin to a great rock musician selling out and making a pop song to boost record sales. Whatever BMW, whatever.
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lasovan First Lieutenant 14 Rep 314 Posts Drives: bmw 320 Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: europe iTrader: (0)	No, it'll come in AWD as well and that's what counts for me here in the Alps. For anybody who's asking why is BMW doing this, the answer is packaging. So it makes sense for smaller cars as the new 1 sedan and hatch. The transversally mounted engine leaves more space to be used for the cabin. That's why the side view of the previous and current 1 series hatch (longitudinally mounted engine) is so different to other hatches and that's why the new A-class MB (transversally mounted engine) is so cute (to many, not to me). Last edited by lasovan; 09-27-2013 at 10:28 AM..
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tony20009 Major General 1075 Rep 5,660 Posts Drives: BMW 335i - Coupe Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Washington, DC iTrader: (0)	I too hope your logic is wrong. I've been waiting for the 2er as it's more in line, size wize, with what I'd want as a replacement for my E92. This news, along with everything I've felt and read about the 4er just makes me think I really need to take good care of my E92 to make it last as long as is possible. I fear BMW may not again make a car that I really will like just as much and that is in a similar price range. __________________ Cheers, Tony ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ '07, e92 335i, *Sparkling Graphite, Coral Leather, Aluminum, 6-speed*
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vladberca Major General 778 Rep 5,567 Posts Drives: '18 octavia 2.0 tdi dsg Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Craiova iTrader: (0)	2 series will have RWD, as Scott said: Coupe, Cabrio, GC, etc. 1 series wil be FWD. I'm curious who's on target for these models? Only new BMW customers? I don't think we'll see many actual BMW customers to make the switch to a FWD car as they already like a RWD BMW.
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