[ybbiz34]

Originally Posted by keepittrill

I didn't know they were still going with the M3? Damn BMW, what are you doing?

M3 = Sedan

M4 = Coupe

[keepittrill]

That's stupid!

[Amini77]

Ford is getting serious quick, proposing some competition to german cars for cheaper.

[BMW269]

It the M3/M4 will be as the M5/M6 all rivals will finally blow-it-out of the water: C AMG, RS4/RS5, IS-F/RC-F, ATS-V, 911 CS, Mustang, Corvette. BMW better do something special for it.

[ptack]

M3 will be sedan version, M4 will be coupe.
Let's see if they have runflat tires and stop/start engines.

What's funny is Ford is trying to get a performance reputation while BMW wants volume.

[jfiore13]

The mustang 2013+ Shelby GT will smack the M3 anyday .. How you going to compete with over 600 ponies. My good friend just got one. It's a legal race car for the streets.

[Bingobimmer]

Mustang will never be an m3, but the mustang is a hard bargin to beat. Really hoping the next m3/4 will bring it.

[Endless619]

Lets put this into prospective here...

Ford Mustang = DPMS Panther AR15

BMW M3 = Colt LE6940 AR15


Any questions?

[MikeyV]

Originally Posted by keepittrill

I didn't know they were still going with the M3? Damn BMW, what are you doing?

BMW would be daft to drop one of it's most historic models.

[keepittrill]

Originally Posted by jfiore13

The mustang 2013+ Shelby GT will smack the M3 anyday .. How you going to compete with over 600 ponies. My good friend just got one. It's a legal race car for the streets.

Wow, straight line performance. So impressive.

[keepittrill]

Originally Posted by MikeyV

BMW would be daft to drop one of it's most historic models.

Which is why the M4 should be the sedan and the M3 should be the coupe!!!

[CirrusSR22]

Originally Posted by keepittrill

Wow, straight line performance. So impressive.

Uh, no. The Camaro ZL1 and Mustang GT500 are both faster around VIR than the M3, M5 and M6. Plenty of turns there.... Both are significantly cheaper than an M3 as well.

http://www.caranddriver.com/features...o-2013-page-10

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgi...tional_Raceway

Their thoughts on the GT500's handling:
"Still, this is the first GT500 that truly handles well. It turns in crisply and is satisfyingly neutral unless you take a 90-degree bend with the stability system turned off or the road is wet, in which case, the back end slides in a controllable manner that will impress your more juvenile friends. On dry roads, in third gear and beyond, the back end stays planted. Surprisingly, despite the antediluvian rear axle, it rides quite comfortably and isn’t upset by midcorner bumps."

http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/...t500-road-test

Even the $38,000 Camaro SS 1LE is faster around VIR than any BMW. The classic "American cars can't handle" line is dead.

The Camaros were quoted to have "spectacular stability, predictability, and control".

[jfiore13]

Originally Posted by CirrusSR22

Uh, no. The Camaro ZL1 and Mustang GT500 are both faster around VIR than the M3, M5 and M6. Plenty of turns there.... Both are significantly cheaper than an M3 as well.

http://www.caranddriver.com/features...o-2013-page-10

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virgi...tional_Raceway

Even the $38,000 Camaro SS 1LE is faster around VIR than any BMW. The classic "American cars can't handle" line is dead.

The Camaros were quoted to have "spectacular stability, predictability, and control".

He was agreeing with me saying its impressive. The car has 663 horses not many cars can beat that. It would smoke any M model you want to compare it to.

[CirrusSR22]

Originally Posted by jfiore13

He was agreeing with me saying its impressive.

No, he wasn't. He was implying all the car can do is straight line performance.

[jfiore13]

Originally Posted by CirrusSR22

No, he wasn't. He was implying all the car can do is straight line performance.

Oh hahah yeah well it can do that and much more. And if he doesn't believe so then he better pick up a book or two...

[keepittrill]

Spare me the "faster around the track" bit. Some tracks are made for 0-60 cars, some are made for 0-100 cars, some are made for cars with better handling, some are made for better brakes etc etc. next time I want a plastic car, ill buy a hot wheels replica! Jeremy Clarksons pretty much got the gist of it hahaha I can do this whole muscle VS import thing all day. I'll just use the Godzilla card LOL

[quagmire]

Originally Posted by keepittrill

Spare me the "faster around the track" bit. Some tracks are made for 0-60 cars, some are made for 0-100 cars, some are made for cars with better handling, some are made for better brakes etc etc. next time I want a plastic car, ill buy a hot wheels replica! Jeremy Clarksons pretty much got the gist of it hahaha I can do this whole muscle VS import thing all day. I'll just use the Godzilla card LOL

So pretty much you'll only acknowledge information that supports your views......

Or you're just trolling. Or maybe both.... I don't know, but you certainly have blinders on......

[keepittrill]

Not sure if ignorant or just trolling? LOL I considered a Boss Leguna Seca and a corvette when looking for my car, if that helps you decide which. Although I actually don't like American cars. Can't deny the performance of the Vette and Boss.

[quagmire]

Originally Posted by keepittrill

Not sure if ignorant or just trolling? LOL I considered a Boss Leguna Seca and a corvette when looking for my car, if that helps you decide which. Although I actually don't like American cars. Can't deny the performance of the Vette and Boss.

Seeing as you described American cars as plastic it pretty much sounds like you're extremely biased or ignorant..... It also doesn't matter that you looked at those vehicles before buying the Z4 because you seem to have already determined American cars suck. Your pre-existing bias against them may have influenced your thoughts on those cars.

BMW's are good vehicles, but they are not the end all be all of vehicles. No one here is trying to say that the Corvette, Mustang, and Camaro are that either. BMW's are definitely more refined because they are luxury vehicles. The Corvette, Mustang, and Camaro are not. But, they are better performance vehicles than BMW's as shown above with the track times. And it doesn't matter the track. I have seen multiple magazines on different tracks and the Corvette, Camaro, and Mustang are consistently faster than the M's.

Any self-respecting car enthusiast wouldn't be spouting the BS you do. You clearly have blinders on.

[keepittrill]

I supposed you're going to tell me Vettes aren't plastic? And don't presume to tell me what my mindset was like when car shopping. I test drove both those cars and both blew my car out of the water when it comes to performance. I just couldn't justify buying a car that costs that much for such a crappy interior(in my opinion). One's full plastic and one's still a Mustang. I'm a car enthusiast, but I prefer European cars. Unless we're talking SSC or Saleen, I don't consider American cars to fall under my love for cars. Plenty of people who share my opinion, Jeremy Clarkson included(; I also know plenty of "self-respecting car enthusiasts" who detest all American cars and spout the same "BS" that I do.

[quagmire]

Originally Posted by keepittrill

I supposed you're going to tell me Vettes aren't plastic? And don't presume to tell me what my mindset was like when car shopping. I test drove both those cars and both blew my car out of the water when it comes to performance. I just couldn't justify buying a car that costs that much for such a crappy interior(in my opinion). One's full plastic and one's still a Mustang. I'm a car enthusiast, but I prefer European cars. Unless we're talking SSC or Saleen, I don't consider American cars to fall under my love for cars. Plenty of people who share my opinion, Jeremy Clarkson included(; I also know plenty of "self-respecting car enthusiasts" who detest all American cars and spout the same "BS" that I do.

Corvette's are made out of fiberglass. While a form of plastic, it's not exactly the cheap plastics many people associate the word with. You going to complain that your $300,000 boat is made out of plastic because boats are made out of fiberglass? Or how about a $600,000 Diamond DA42 Twinstar? You're using the word plastic as a way to knock the Corvette as being built cheaply. Everyone will give you the fact that the C6 interior and older isn't exactly great. While the base interior uses plastic, go to the 4LT and up( at least in the C6's case), it does use leather. But, to bash the Corvette and say it sucks over the interior is insane.

Look, no one is trying to knock your preference in cars. If you prefer European cars, fine. But, to ignorantly trying to bash American cars is ridiculous. You give credit where credit is due even if the car is not to your taste. The Corvette, Camaro, and Mustang are good vehicles. Fact is they are faster around the track than M's in certain forms( 1LE, ZL1, GT, GT500, Boss, and most likely Z/28). You trying to dismiss that fact because some tracks are biased towards power, handling, brakes, etc is ridiculous. That is the only area where we can fairly compare them to BMW's. Step out of performance, you can't compare them anymore as they are entirely different vehicles to BMW's. BMW's are luxury sedans, coupes, and CUV's. The Corvette is a sports car and Camaro/Mustang muscle cars.

And using Jeremy Clarkson as a way to back up your opinion is a complete joke or anyone from Top Gear. Top Gear is for entertainment only. Top Gear holds zero credibility. I love the show, but I wouldn't use them as a valid source to help form an opinion. I mean they don't know the difference between bHP and wHP( they probably do, but for the shows purposes acted ignorant).

Overall, it's your attitude. If you stated, " Corvette's are good cars, cheap interior and are not my taste" no one would be on your case right now. The way you're stating things is getting people jumping on you.

[keepittrill]

LOL "people jumping on you". Nope, pretty much just you!