[Vinfast]

Originally Posted by ericruiz911

hey guys, havent poste in a while but i ended up pulling a muscle in my left shoulder so i jumped off and decided tp start PCT a week ago. started Physical Therapy last week aswell.

Ending stats:

Weight: 194.7
BF: 11.6% (bf went up a tad bit but seems to be water weight)

Overall opinion of the cycle: UD/Tren is a great. Gained some water weight but not nearly as much as other cycles. Strength came on very strong. Gained 25lbs on my bench and over 60lbs on my squat. Unfortunately, my shoulder that has always been bad and prone to injury gave out on a barbell shoulder press. Sadly, these strength gains need to be taken into consideration since it increases drastically and you need to make sure your body can handle it.

PROS: Great strength gains, good gains
CONS: Insomnia, low blood sugar episodes, aching joints, night sweats, headaches

Great pro hormone but i personally experienced alot of side effects.Although i would have love to hit 200, it is not worth knocking out my shoulder and make a slight injruy drastically worse.

Like I said earlier, along with major dangers of drug use, you experienced the minor ones -- one being your connective tissue can't keep up with the muscle strength and growth, thus an injury. Seen it many, many times. Was the small gain worth it?

[RambleJ]

Originally Posted by Vinfast

Like I said earlier, along with major dangers of drug use, you experienced the minor ones -- one being your connective tissue can't keep up with the muscle strength and growth, thus an injury. Seen it many, many times. Was the small gain worth it?

Yes and this happens everytime. So stay away from AAS

[hasta la pasta 27]

Holding at 191 @ 10% bf so I'm happy. I wante to see the end results too but hey, there's always next time. Still doing therapy but shoulder is recovering relatively quickly. Had to cut back weight on my workouts and change up some of the exercises since I feel the stress.

[san~man]

Stay away from behind the neck presses (if you haven't already).

[RambleJ]

Originally Posted by san~man

Stay away from behind the neck presses (if you haven't already).

Yes!! I stay away from those and I also pinch my shoulder blades together when flat benching.

[hasta la pasta 27]

Originally Posted by san~man

Stay away from behind the neck presses (if you haven't already).

way ahead of you! same thing with the upright rows; just terrible for your shoulders. If you start hearing shit pop and snap, then you can be assured youre just f*cking something up

[san~man]

If you take a wide grip on the bar (at the outer grip mark), keep the bar close to you body during the upright movement (aka. dragging it up your torso), pull up in a controlled manner, and stop at about collarbone height, upright rows can be beneficial.

I think it's more the poor form (very close grip=death to wrists) and the jerk/throwing the body movement that causes injury.

[jasonX]

I'm relatively familiar with steroid/hormone levels, but from everything I've read and have been told, you should not touch the stuff prior to 30. I know this for fact for Tesosterone (Enanthate, Cyp etc) and would greatly reduce your bodies natural ability to produce these hormones.

[hasta la pasta 27]

Originally Posted by san~man

If you take a wide grip on the bar (at the outer grip mark), keep the bar close to you body during the upright movement (aka. dragging it up your torso), pull up in a controlled manner, and stop at about collarbone height, upright rows can be beneficial.

I think it's more the poor form (very close grip=death to wrists) and the jerk/throwing the body movement that causes injury.

very good point! Only way you hit the wings

[hasta la pasta 27]

Originally Posted by jasonX

I'm relatively familiar with steroid/hormone levels, but from everything I've read and have been told, you should not touch the stuff prior to 30. I know this for fact for Tesosterone (Enanthate, Cyp etc) and would greatly reduce your bodies natural ability to produce these hormones.

True: At my age (or anyone under lets say 30), we are still producing more than enough testosterone to keep us going. When we provide our bodies with an excess amount of testosterone, your body (nuts) cut back because it says "oh shit, too much supply" so it cuts back production. Now when you are supplying more testosterone than needed, your body starts shutting down to a point where you are close to nothing. Now the issue with this is just like any other part of your body; if you don't use it, you lose it. If your body begins grabbing the mindset that it does not need to produce testosterone, it will constantly cut back.

So now you jumped off cycle and you are doing your PCT to get the boys back and keep your gains. I will bounce back relatively quickly. 6 weeks and my bloodwork comes back to normal including prolactin and cortisol levels. Now, although im back to normal, the short cycle allows my body to recover quicker and cause less damage to natural testosterone production because i can tell my body it needs to make. A big problem that causes damage is not starting pct a few days before end of cycle and not tapering off properly.....lets use orals for example; 4 weeks at 20mg. The last few days should go 20/16/12/8/4. Maybe 20/12/4 but you get the point. Its all dependent of the half life of the steroid aswell and that will determine how long to taper down for. On sustanon250 i was tapering off for almost 2.5 weeks. What tapering off does is allow a gradual decrease in "synthetic" testosterone to allow your body to begin providing "natural testosterone production".


so to answer to your question, yes you shouldn't do this before your 30's because you have enough testosterone kicking. Are you causing permanent damage? More than likely yes but if done properly, you can minimize the damage done.
my fucking head hurts.....i might have missed some stuff and probably didn't get to the point but im not going back to check

[My335iTT]

Good night sweet liver


aww sorry about the injury!

[RambleJ]

And my cycle began yesterday....
No orals for me though..

[hasta la pasta 27]

Originally Posted by RambleJ

And my cycle began yesterday....
No orals for me though..

haha good shit. what are you running and how long?

[RambleJ]

Originally Posted by ericruiz911

haha good shit. what are you running and how long?

14/15 week Sust cycle... Nothing too crazy

[hasta la pasta 27]

Originally Posted by RambleJ

14/15 week Sust cycle... Nothing too crazy

dosage?

[RambleJ]

Originally Posted by ericruiz911

dosage?

500mg a week

[M3Denver]

anyone got some hookups in Denver for some Anavar??

[lastMleft]

Originally Posted by ericruiz911

hey guys, havent poste in a while but i ended up pulling a muscle in my left shoulder so i jumped off and decided tp start PCT a week ago. started Physical Therapy last week aswell.

Ending stats:

Weight: 194.7
BF: 11.6% (bf went up a tad bit but seems to be water weight)

Overall opinion of the cycle: UD/Tren is a great. Gained some water weight but not nearly as much as other cycles. Strength came on very strong. Gained 25lbs on my bench and over 60lbs on my squat. Unfortunately, my shoulder that has always been bad and prone to injury gave out on a barbell shoulder press. Sadly, these strength gains need to be taken into consideration since it increases drastically and you need to make sure your body can handle it.

PROS: Great strength gains, good gains
CONS: Insomnia, low blood sugar episodes, aching joints, night sweats, headaches

Great pro hormone but i personally experienced alot of side effects.Although i would have love to hit 200, it is not worth knocking out my shoulder and make a slight injruy drastically worse.

What did you injure your rotator cuff?

[Cycleram]

I didn't see a warm-up protocol. You might try a 10:00 minute dynamic/cardio warm-up.

[hasta la pasta 27]

Originally Posted by Rukuss

What did you injure your rotator cuff?

Yep. I'm fully healed now and back to lifting.

[hasta la pasta 27]

Originally Posted by Cycleram

I didn't see a warm-up protocol. You might try a 10:00 minute dynamic/cardio warm-up.

Yea I know, bad habit. I started 15 min cardio before workouts but yea, definitely makes a difference

[reelop19]

Be careful on the pre-lifting cardio. You don't want to expend the energy that is needed for your lifting. I personally have a pretty good stretch session planned out that I do before my lifting. A good stretch session can warm you up pretty good. I save the cardio for after the lifting