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what part of this target includes 'shoot him in the knee cap'? there is not a single minute of police training that says if you're justified to use DEADLY force, aim for their legs. it's pretty obvious to see that this cop had plenty of justification to use deadly force. angry man already done damage to property, wielding a blunt object, ineffectiveness of less lethal methods, and making hostile actions towards a LEO. i don't get how there can be any grey areas here whatsoever. i'm not for killing people for the hell of it, but this guy definitely had it coming. |
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01-24-2012, 11:22 AM | #26 |
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this, this, and this. i'm not a cop, but i am a licensed concealed handgun carrier. that's always rule #1, even if you're just out having target practice or something.
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01-24-2012, 11:23 AM | #28 |
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I'm no advocate for taking lives at will for minor crimes. But the stiffer the consequences for breaking the law means the law gets broken less. If everyone who was attempting to rob a place or hold people hostage KNOWS that he'll get shot if he doesn't comply... well it stands to reason that less people will be robbing places or holding people hostage. At the very least, once the cops arrive the situation will like be diffused more quickly knowing they'll get shot if they don't comply.
When will people (offenders & bleeding hearts alike) realize that once you decide to live outside the laws society has put in place you stand the chance of suffering great consequences???
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i learned that posts criticizing cops do not do well on this forum, so i just keep it to myself now. too many armchair law enforcement officers here with the standard set of excuses how its OK for a cop to tazer a 7-year old with a stick or kill a drunk dude with a hammer...
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01-24-2012, 11:32 AM | #31 |
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I agree this guy was pretty stupid, but I don't see any point were I would say any of the police officers lives where at risk.
Just like any civilian you can't shoot someone unless you are "in fear of your life" that doesn't mean if someone comes after you with a stick you can shoot them. The guy calling me stupid with the picture of a silhouette is comical. I shoot 2-3 times a week and can easily keep a 10 round group inside the first two rings at 10-15 yards. |
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01-24-2012, 11:34 AM | #32 | |
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Easy shot indeed; to be one handed, in the rain, holding an attack dog with your other hand. Sure, go for the 4" or 8" target. We're not saying the guy deserved to die. But don't play with fire if you're not prepared to be burned. Cop was justified in his actions in this situation.
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????? Yep... you're retarded. Once again, this is not a video game. The dog is a life and it's safety is just as paramount as an officers. You do not release a dog on a man carrying a crowbar or whatever the fuck it was.. Would you release your dog to get hit in the face by a blunt weapon? Ohh that's right you see the dog as just an object like a taser or pepper spray... Who cares if the dog is killed by the crazed meth addict...? Or is it SUPER DOG!?!? Completely impervious to blunt force trauma!
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![]() now do your same heroic shot group on a moving target, while moving around yourself, with a german shepherd tugging on you, all under duress. i'd bet you'd have plenty trouble hitting the broad side of a red barn. let's look at this from a pragmatic standpoint...the officer has two options here after failed tazer... 1. potentially watch his partner's (who is innocent by all accounts) head get smashed by some crazy guy with a crowbar OR 2. use deadly force to protect innocent people obviously option 2 protects the people that deserve protection. logic would also say that if someone, ANYONE, was pointing a gun at you, compliance would probably be in your best interest. put the crowbar down and let the courts sort out the rest and nobody has to get hurt. |
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Another reason LEOs are trained to shoot center mass. Stray bullets are bad.
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Cops love their dogs. They spend a lot of time with them and it's their buddy. Police dogs are not just dogs they are considered officers and think of them as their partner. So releasing a dog in a situation where it could get hurt by a person possessing a large object would not be easy.
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OK. FIRST OFF. I have a search and rescue, very well trained defense dog, they are trained to attack places that won't get them hurt, and to bring people down, thats there job.
So if you where not to release the dog, why did they take it out of the car in the first place? Just for the barking and noise? You can't use "what if's" in the situation, he was not attacking anyone, he hasn't shown signed of personal attack before (as the article says he smashed windows, not people) The officer could easily have backed up if the guy was coming after them with what looks like a large hammer. I agree the police (READ THIS PART) should have taken action, I'm just not sure the guy holding the dog (that had no reason to be out, because it wasn't going to be used) should have been the one to take him down. |
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The dog was ready to run after him if he tried to flee the scene, standard protocol. The cops were in a formation to do exactly what they did, to tase and be prepared for his reaction.
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Ok... The dog had every reason to be out... Say the guy drops his weapon and runs. Police aren't going to shoot him at this point. But in this instance they will release the dog to chase his ass down. Or if he tries to hide under a car or any type of object that would create a dangerous situation for a person.. that would be more advantageous for a K-9. There is a reason they are used.. and their applications are quite extensive. Your argument is being torn to shreds right now and instead of seeing just how ridiculous it is.. you are holding on for dear life. The guy was a crazed drug addict. |
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