MAC users...Should I join you?

oneshare325 · 10-31-2006, 12:42 PM

I have been waiting to post in this one, and Reading everyone post, you guys made alot of good reasons! Basicly it is all about what you like. I have brand loyality, My e90 comes second only to apple! You can run everything on the intel macs (may you be in os x or crapdows) and most of the time the mac version is better. (except games, but i don't think you are a big gamer). If you want to play games buy a xbox. Macs are not more expensive, just so everyone knows! I don't really know anything about PC's but I can tell you everything you would ever want to know about macs. and I spec'd out a 15.4 inch notebook in both a dell, and an mac. (note I spec'd out both in their education store)

oneshare325 · 10-31-2006, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by txusa03

could you verify if bootcamp and parallels are available with a new mac systems or is it something you need to pay separate for? I think they both comes with the new mac.

Couple notes to clear things up, Boot camp is a free download from apple, (it is a beta, and the final version will be built into leopard), Parallels is not made by apple and you need to buy it, (75 i think)

and the G5 chip was made by IBM, the g4 was made my motorola, but share the same architecture which is power pc!

txusa03 · 10-31-2006, 01:01 PM

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Originally Posted by oneshare325

Couple notes to clear things up, Boot camp is a free download from apple, (it is a beta, and the final version will be built into leopard), Parallels is not made by apple and you need to buy it, (75 i think)

and the G5 chip was made by IBM, the g4 was made my motorola, but share the same architecture which is power pc!

you sure know your Mac stuffs

. What is that program that is available on intel mac machine to run the old Mac os applications where the vendor have not had enough time to updates their software to work with intel mac?

vladinecko · 10-31-2006, 01:34 PM

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Originally Posted by txusa03

yoWhat is that program that is available on intel mac machine to run the old Mac os applications where the vendor have not had enough time to updates their software to work with intel mac?

rosetta

Nikki · 10-31-2006, 01:38 PM

My new(er) Dell desktop is flawless, no complaints whatsoever. I got it I think in April and it was about that price I think, $2,000 and I got a 20" monitor. My last Dell was awesome too, but I had it for several years and just felt it was time for an upgrade. Good luck with whatever you end up getting.

vladinecko · 10-31-2006, 01:39 PM

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Originally Posted by oneshare325

Couple notes to clear things up, Boot camp is a free download from apple, (it is a beta, and the final version will be built into leopard), Parallels is not made by apple and you need to buy it, (75 i think)

and the G5 chip was made by IBM, the g4 was made my motorola, but share the same architecture which is power pc!

to add a note to this, bootcamp requires you to restart your computer every time you want to run a different os. in other words, you can't run windows and os x alongside.
parallels, on the other hand, is a virtualization software, meaning, it uses one os's resources to run another os inside it. that means, you can run windows os as an application in os x, or you can run windows in os x.

vladinecko · 10-31-2006, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by gluck75

Can I runt outlook in parallels?

yes. you can run pretty much any windows app on it.

txusa03 · 10-31-2006, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by vladinecko

rosetta

that's it. gee, how you folk remember these names is unbelievable...

txusa03 · 10-31-2006, 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Nikki

My new(er) Dell desktop is flawless, no complaints whatsoever. I got it I think in April and it was about that price I think, $2,000 and I got a 20" monitor. My last Dell was awesome too, but I had it for several years and just felt it was time for an upgrade. Good luck with whatever you end up getting.

check the battery on that laptop...there was a dell recall on a few laptop battery. not dell's fault since they did not manufacture the battery. lol.

vladinecko · 10-31-2006, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by txusa03

check the battery on that laptop...there was a dell recall on a few laptop battery. not dell's fault since they did not manufacture the battery. lol.

same with apple, toshiba and other manufactures whose main battery supplier was sony.

yuggy · 10-31-2006, 01:57 PM

yup.i just got a macbook =)
pretty good so far..no problems and yeah i use boot camp so i'm running either mac or windows OS...

Still getting adjusted to the MAC OS though....but yeah..i like it!

vladinecko · 10-31-2006, 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by txusa03

that's it. gee, how you folk remember these names is unbelievable...

ha ha, that's easy, i'm a computer science guy doing lots of development on a mac. so not only do i know or am interested in names of those technologies, but also how they work

txusa03 · 10-31-2006, 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by yuggy

yup.i just got a macbook =)
pretty good so far..no problems and yeah i use boot camp so i'm running either mac or windows OS...

Still getting adjusted to the MAC OS though....but yeah..i like it!

you can use unix commands on mac os. So if you know unix, you can do alot too.

txusa03 · 10-31-2006, 02:14 PM

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Originally Posted by vladinecko

ha ha, that's easy, i'm a computer science guy doing lots of development on a mac. so not only do i know or am interested in names of those technologies, but also how they work

what programming do you develope in - fortran, cobol, c, c++, SQL plus, .net....

whippersnapper · 10-31-2006, 03:42 PM

Gluck, why do you want 3 gigs and a screaming Core 2 Duo system to surf the web and do email? My advice get a Macbook

txusa03 · 10-31-2006, 04:02 PM

the cheapest mac would also do the job, just make sure it is intel base so you can run outlook. no?

or get the cheapest pc?

obLu · 10-31-2006, 04:31 PM

I swing both ways ... I've got a couple of pcs running windows, and I've got an imac G5. The imac was bought to go in the built-in kitchen desk area so that my wife would quit using my laptop when she wanted to check email and surf.

(she's got some weird magnetic field that ruins electronics after prolonged exposure ... I swear, after about 2mo whatever electronics that she uses on a daily basis start to malfunction and eventually die.)

The laptop that the imac was supposed to replace has since died and I keep coming back to wanting a macbook or a mbp as it's replacement. The hardware designs are just so much more elegant (with associated issues) than what the big box drop shippers like Dell can come up with. Sure, they cost a bit more, but from what I've seen with my imac compared to my other windows based pcs, I can also run that hardware productively much longer. And now that I can turn it into a windows pc if I really feel the need, that's a deal clincher.

My OS X complaints:
1. You get conditioned to having to wait a bit for things; os x is never as "snappy" as a fresh windows install. But it never slows down with time like a windows install either.

2. 3rd party Software not as "mature"? Hard to describe. OS X still feels like windows 98 where you had to have all those little favorite shareware apps to get things done that you want to.

What OS X gets right:
1. Program installs. Mount the dmg, drag and drop. Uninstall? Drag and drop. (there are underlying issues with files that do actually get left behind ... but it's pretty arbitrary) Rarely will you find an app that has to write files all over the place or update system files like Windows.

2. Security model. Again, no system file modification. And unlike upcoming Vista (I'm running RC2 on one of my windows boxes) you're not hit over the head 80 times to run one program. (no security is perfect, but nobody's really trying to hack mac yet).

3. Minimalistic OS structure. There's no 5-6 tiered menu structures like Windows. I don't have to go tools - options - blah blah settings - setup - yadda yadda. It's always app - preferences.

4. I just get more done quicker on a Mac. Expose and drag and drop for most functions, gets me what I want 98% of the time. I plugged in a two button mouse for right clicking, and I've since ditched it. No need to right click.

The real sticker for you though will probably be blackberry support. Entourage for Mac is pretty half baked compared to Outlook if you use an exchange server. It's redundant for everything else (pop3/imap) since Mail is easier to use. What OS X really needs is big enough market share that companies have to start developing their software for both windows and OS X. Hate to think what it'll do to the software industry's economics though.

txusa03 · 10-31-2006, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by obLu

I swing both ways ...

careful with your choice of words here... j/k

oneshare325 · 10-31-2006, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by vladinecko

rosetta

I was waiting for your post!! I was wondering when my fellow mac nut was going to chime in!!

MoreCowbell · 10-31-2006, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by whippersnapper

Gluck, why do you want 3 gigs and a screaming Core 2 Duo system to surf the web and do email? My advice get a Macbook

Which Mac apps most benefit from copious amounts of ram?

whippersnapper · 10-31-2006, 09:21 PM

Parallels, aperture, photoshop, video editing, audio encoding etc..

Macworld a while back showed there is a large gain going from 512mb to 1 gig but little benefit beyond that unless you are running multiple intensive apps

Having said that I would get 2 gigs in a macbook since it has integrated video and therefore shares the system ram, but even 1 would still be fine

tintivilus · 10-31-2006, 09:46 PM

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Originally Posted by txusa03

you can use unix commands on mac os. So if you know unix, you can do alot too.

As a former card-carrying Mac hater, I still think of OS X as the new version of NeXTstep. The Color Turbo ruled all

(not mine btw, just a nice desktop shot)

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oneshare325 Brigadier General 204 Rep 4,178 Posts Drives: E90 325i, E82 135i Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Arlington, VA iTrader: (11) Garage List 2018 BMW M3 [0.00] 2006 325i [0.00]	I have been waiting to post in this one, and Reading everyone post, you guys made alot of good reasons! Basicly it is all about what you like. I have brand loyality, My e90 comes second only to apple! You can run everything on the intel macs (may you be in os x or crapdows) and most of the time the mac version is better. (except games, but i don't think you are a big gamer). If you want to play games buy a xbox. Macs are not more expensive, just so everyone knows! I don't really know anything about PC's but I can tell you everything you would ever want to know about macs. and I spec'd out a 15.4 inch notebook in both a dell, and an mac. (note I spec'd out both in their education store) Attached Images
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yuggy Lieutenant 13 Rep 486 Posts Drives: E90 325xi Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Toronto iTrader: (8) Garage List 2006 325xi [0.00]	yup.i just got a macbook =) pretty good so far..no problems and yeah i use boot camp so i'm running either mac or windows OS... Still getting adjusted to the MAC OS though....but yeah..i like it!
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whippersnapper Captain 23 Rep 972 Posts Drives: people mad Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Atlanta iTrader: (0) Garage List 2006 BMW 325i [0.00] 2006 BMW 325i [0.00]	Gluck, why do you want 3 gigs and a screaming Core 2 Duo system to surf the web and do email? My advice get a Macbook __________________ __________________________________________________ __________________ 2006 BMW 325i, Jet Black, 6MT, ZSP, Black Leather, Aluminum, Power Seats, Logic 7
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txusa03 Major General 577 Rep 6,563 Posts Drives: TS330iPPSP6MT Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Planet Earth iTrader: (3)	the cheapest mac would also do the job, just make sure it is intel base so you can run outlook. no? or get the cheapest pc?
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obLu Major 55 Rep 1,159 Posts Drives: 330i 6MT ZSP Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Kirkland, WA, USA iTrader: (1)	I swing both ways ... I've got a couple of pcs running windows, and I've got an imac G5. The imac was bought to go in the built-in kitchen desk area so that my wife would quit using my laptop when she wanted to check email and surf. (she's got some weird magnetic field that ruins electronics after prolonged exposure ... I swear, after about 2mo whatever electronics that she uses on a daily basis start to malfunction and eventually die.) The laptop that the imac was supposed to replace has since died and I keep coming back to wanting a macbook or a mbp as it's replacement. The hardware designs are just so much more elegant (with associated issues) than what the big box drop shippers like Dell can come up with. Sure, they cost a bit more, but from what I've seen with my imac compared to my other windows based pcs, I can also run that hardware productively much longer. And now that I can turn it into a windows pc if I really feel the need, that's a deal clincher. My OS X complaints: 1. You get conditioned to having to wait a bit for things; os x is never as "snappy" as a fresh windows install. But it never slows down with time like a windows install either. 2. 3rd party Software not as "mature"? Hard to describe. OS X still feels like windows 98 where you had to have all those little favorite shareware apps to get things done that you want to. What OS X gets right: 1. Program installs. Mount the dmg, drag and drop. Uninstall? Drag and drop. (there are underlying issues with files that do actually get left behind ... but it's pretty arbitrary) Rarely will you find an app that has to write files all over the place or update system files like Windows. 2. Security model. Again, no system file modification. And unlike upcoming Vista (I'm running RC2 on one of my windows boxes) you're not hit over the head 80 times to run one program. (no security is perfect, but nobody's really trying to hack mac yet). 3. Minimalistic OS structure. There's no 5-6 tiered menu structures like Windows. I don't have to go tools - options - blah blah settings - setup - yadda yadda. It's always app - preferences. 4. I just get more done quicker on a Mac. Expose and drag and drop for most functions, gets me what I want 98% of the time. I plugged in a two button mouse for right clicking, and I've since ditched it. No need to right click. The real sticker for you though will probably be blackberry support. Entourage for Mac is pretty half baked compared to Outlook if you use an exchange server. It's redundant for everything else (pop3/imap) since Mail is easier to use. What OS X really needs is big enough market share that companies have to start developing their software for both windows and OS X. Hate to think what it'll do to the software industry's economics though.
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whippersnapper Captain 23 Rep 972 Posts Drives: people mad Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Atlanta iTrader: (0) Garage List 2006 BMW 325i [0.00] 2006 BMW 325i [0.00]	Parallels, aperture, photoshop, video editing, audio encoding etc.. Macworld a while back showed there is a large gain going from 512mb to 1 gig but little benefit beyond that unless you are running multiple intensive apps Having said that I would get 2 gigs in a macbook since it has integrated video and therefore shares the system ram, but even 1 would still be fine __________________ __________________________________________________ __________________ 2006 BMW 325i, Jet Black, 6MT, ZSP, Black Leather, Aluminum, Power Seats, Logic 7
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