[BForbes]

Originally Posted by bdkevoIX

^ i don't think so. gen coupe weighs in at 3300lbs and handles pretty damn nice.
The thing about american v8 is that they require a LARGE displacement to make power and weighs a ton. You can feel this when you drive them.

Fact: A 2010 Camaro SS will outhandle a stock 2010 Hyundai Genesis.

Sure its heavy, but were talking numbers here. I would rather have a tried and tested mod-friendly Corvette engine that dosent require me chipping and changing a laundry list of items.

[OBI_agent]

Awesome car....the new eclipse has arrived in RWD form....Mod heaven... ....And actually aint bad lookin either.

[bdkevoIX]

Originally Posted by BForbes

Fact: A 2010 Camaro SS will outhandle a stock 2010 Hyundai Genesis.

Sure its heavy, but were talking numbers here. I would rather have a tried and tested mod-friendly Corvette engine that dosent require me chipping and changing a laundry list of items.

This made me do some research and here's what I found. You want to talk about numbers huh

2010 Genesis Coupe 2.0t track
-3387lbs curb weight
-slalom 69.3mph
-skid pad .91g (same as 3.8L track model)

2010 Camaro SS
-3857lbs curb weight
-slalom 68.6mph
-skid pad .90g

Seems like you're spitting facts out of your rectum. Chipping and laundry list of items? Based on what you drive (Honda) and your post about vette engine, you obviously are not a fan of OEM turbocharged engines.
who calls it "chipping" nowadays anyway?

[Kenix]

^That's for the 2.0T Track, not R-Spec? So R-spec will be more performance, less luxuries at the same price or less? DO WANT!

[onehungevo]

Originally Posted by bdkevoIX

This made me do some research and here's what I found. You want to talk about numbers huh

2010 Genesis Coupe 2.0t track
-3387lbs curb weight
-slalom 69.3mph
-skid pad .91g (same as 3.8L track model)

2010 Camaro SS
-3857lbs curb weight
-slalom 68.6mph
-skid pad .90g

Seems like you're spitting facts out of your rectum. Chipping and laundry list of items? Based on what you drive (Honda) and your post about vette engine, you obviously are not a fan of OEM turbocharged engines.
who calls it "chipping" nowadays anyway?

On this forum they call it chipping because most people use chips not a custom tune.

[onehungevo]

Originally Posted by bdkevoIX

lol, its always 1ers that are bashing on these cars.
1 series = 3 series with down syndrome lol

Gen coupe is an AWESOME deal for the $$
your car doesnt come with an LSD, brembo, 19inch rims, but gen coupe does.

The brakes on the 1 actually are the same technology as the brakes on a porsche. You are trying to compare a BMW and Hyundai and there really is no comparison. I had an evo and after driving a bmw I will never return.

[bdkevoIX]

Originally Posted by onehungevo

The brakes on the 1 actually are the same technology as the brakes on a porsche. You are trying to compare a BMW and Hyundai and there really is no comparison. I had an evo and after driving a bmw I will never return.

each to his own, how much power were u putting down?

[BForbes]

Originally Posted by bdkevoIX

This made me do some research and here's what I found. You want to talk about numbers huh

2010 Genesis Coupe 2.0t track
-3387lbs curb weight
-slalom 69.3mph
-skid pad .91g (same as 3.8L track model)

2010 Camaro SS
-3857lbs curb weight
-slalom 68.6mph
-skid pad .90g

Seems like you're spitting facts out of your rectum. Chipping and laundry list of items? Based on what you drive (Honda) and your post about vette engine, you obviously are not a fan of OEM turbocharged engines.
who calls it "chipping" nowadays anyway?

I'd rather you not think about my rectum. Yes, I love talking about numbers. You assume that I dislike turbocharged engines b/c I own a Honda? You have no idea of my vehicle history. Lets talk numbers. How much is the track version? $26,750. It is going to take a lot of money to get your 344whp out of that car. This engine is on a shared global platform. Hyundai did a lot of the work themselves. It shares a lot of components with the EVO X but I dont believe it will be as bulletproof.

I was referring to 'ring times. CarandD has the Camaro gripping at .92g's. There is not even a full mph difference between the two.


OR, since we're still on the topic of numbers, MotorTrend's "Figure Eight:"

V8 Camaro SS 25.8sec @80g
V6 Camaro RS 26.3sec @75g

Hyundai Gen 2.0 track: 26.8sec @ 64g
Hyundai Gen 3.8 track: 26.3sec @ 68g

Are you telling me that the ''laundry list" of things done wont exceed the base price of 31k(Camaro SS)? Pulleaase.

[Rotary Rasp]

Do you guys realize that this is a turbo swap. Do you know how few people acutally go through with turbo swaps?

I think it's great that the engine can make those numbers, but honestly, 344whp genesis coupe's are going to be very rare.

[Rotary Rasp]

In fact.... if you did a turbo swap, aftermarker intercooler, downpipe, and exhaust, to the 335i it would make some numbers I can't even imagine.

[asian010]

Originally Posted by Rotary Rasp

In fact.... if you did a turbo swap, aftermarker intercooler, downpipe, and exhaust, to the 335i it would make some numbers I can't even imagine.

they already did that. lol. i believe it was 500+ hp without anything blowing up yet but only achieved with meth injection.

[Rotary Rasp]

Originally Posted by asian010

they already did that. lol. i believe it was 500+ hp without anything blowing up yet but only achieved with meth injection.

lol, nice!

so my point was that you guys are comparing apples to oranges. That Genesis is seriously modded and still isn't putting down the numbers a $400 tune can with the 335i.

[bdkevoIX]

^ 3076 is capable of making 500whp. that is only scratching the surface. you don't know the state of the modification whether its on pump, how much timing, etc.

only time will tell what this car will be capable of and everything is speculation so far.

as for the camaro SS, it is a GREAT bang for the buck

[NewSong]

Damn bdkevo just got some roflberries with his pwntcakes, and owntmeal.

[bdkevoIX]

Originally Posted by NewSong

Damn bdkevo just got some roflberries with his pwntcakes, and owntmeal.

lol if you say so.
don't wanna continue useless argument where one is clearly more expensive than the other with more hp with similar skid pad numbers.

as for the $ comment, we simply don't know how much it will cost to bring the gen coupe to SS level.

With an evo, it only cost $1500 to make 350whp.
I only stated what was truth.
SS is a great bang for the buck and so is gen coupe.
Like I said, only time will tell.

[Kenix]

Well if you're going to spend a coupe grand tuning a genesis coupe, you might as well do it to the 2.0T R-spec, which starts at just $23,750 and comes with upgraded suspension and brakes.

The camaro may start at 31k, but most people will want to option it to at least 34k or 35k. The R-spec, however, isn't going to have as many options to jack up the price and increase weight. I suspect most will leave dealer lots around under 25k. It shouldn't take more than $5000 to get 340hp out of the genesis so you're looking at a $30,000 RWD 340hp LSD, brembo, etc. track oriented bargain!

That's how I see it

[blklacker]

Originally Posted by Kenix

Well if you're going to spend a coupe grand tuning a genesis coupe, you might as well do it to the 2.0T R-spec, which starts at just $23,750 and comes with upgraded suspension and brakes.

The camaro may start at 31k, but most people will want to option it to at least 34k or 35k. The R-spec, however, isn't going to have as many options to jack up the price and increase weight. I suspect most will leave dealer lots around under 25k. It shouldn't take more than $5000 to get 340hp out of the genesis so you're looking at a $30,000 RWD 340hp LSD, brembo, etc. track oriented bargain!

That's how I see it

You need glasses and a calculator..

-a (2.0T track edition gen coupe) is 26k the (base model stripper version 2.0T gen coupe) is 22k and its bare-bones buddy without brembo, LSD and Rims. Good luck with dropping in a larger turbo and adding all the other mods needed for (track oriented performance) with 5,000.

Much Much rather have the camaro + it looks way better

[The__J__Factor]

GT2871rt 1.3bar vs stock 2.0T, dont know the other mods to it but apparently you just need a new fuel pump and these engines/set ups are good for lots of power.

http://www.gencoupe.com/engine/12346...tock-dyno.html

[EJ2000]

Originally Posted by blklacker

You need glasses and a calculator..

-a (2.0T track edition gen coupe) is 26k the (base model stripper version 2.0T gen coupe) is 22k and its bare-bones buddy without brembo, LSD and Rims. Good luck with dropping in a larger turbo and adding all the other mods needed for (track oriented performance) with 5,000.

Much Much rather have the camaro + it looks way better

Actually, he is right. I think you might need to do a better job with your research before bashing someone.

The 2.0T base is 22k, and the 2.0T Track is $26,750. He is talking about the R-spec, which is basically the tuner model with all of the performance parts of the track, but without some of the luxury options like bluetooth, upgraded stereo, etc.

The R-spec costs $23,750 and does include the Brembos, LSD, sport suspension, and wheels/tires.

[lyndon_h]

Originally Posted by bdkevoIX

^ i don't think so. gen coupe weighs in at 3300lbs and handles pretty damn nice.
The thing about american v8 is that they require a LARGE displacement to make power and weighs a ton. You can feel this when you drive them.

As others have mentioned, the LSx engines are not heavy engines.
The LS2 weighs about 40lbs more than the N54, but produces quite a bit more hp and torque without FI. And the LS7 produces 200lbs more hp and 200lbs more torque and weighs only 50lbs more than N54. Realize that this engine produces more the same HP and 120lbs more torque than the V10 in the M5 and M6 while weighing 80lbs lighter, all while getting better gas mileage.

[ragingclue]

Originally Posted by lyndon_h

As others have mentioned, the LSx engines are not heavy engines.
The LS2 weighs about 40lbs more than the N54, but produces quite a bit more hp and torque without FI. And the LS7 produces 200lbs more hp and 200lbs more torque and weighs only 50lbs more than N54. Realize that this engine produces more the same HP and 120lbs more torque than the V10 in the M5 and M6 while weighing 80lbs lighter, all while getting better gas mileage.

You can spew facts until you're blue in the face. Import drivers will rag on the LSX series until they die, whether they have a leg to stand on or not. (And by "import drivers", yes, I was referring to BMW and Euro imports as well)

I find it absolutely amazing how much people hate the SBC. But, when you think about it, it does pretty much everything well. It's light, easily moddable without FI, cheap to fix, relatively bulletproof and reliable, and...well... it's been smoking people for a while. I find a lot of the animosity towards the LSX is because of having been beaten by many of them driven by mullet-wearing, trailer-dwelling folk who have nothing but their car, and put every dime they make into it. Oh well. A fast car is a fast car, and an excellent engine is just that - an excellent engine.

You have to call a spade a spade.

[Kenix]

Originally Posted by blklacker

You need glasses and a calculator..

-a (2.0T track edition gen coupe) is 26k the (base model stripper version 2.0T gen coupe) is 22k and its bare-bones buddy without brembo, LSD and Rims. Good luck with dropping in a larger turbo and adding all the other mods needed for (track oriented performance) with 5,000.

Much Much rather have the camaro + it looks way better

Uh. I don't understand the words that you are trying to formulate. Maybe it's the parentheses..