[Sephiroth]

GT2 = Turbo + GT3. The ultimate 911 is a turbo car...

[housy]

And here the BMW which destroys every GT-R! :biggrin:
7:22 :eyebulge:

http://www.loaded.se/

[Redline]

Yea, I'm just trying to say Porsche, Honda, Bmw are the few companies that push the limits on their engine on their top model cars.

[mateo]

Originally Posted by housy

And here the BMW which destroys every GT-R! :biggrin:
7:22 :eyebulge:

http://www.loaded.se/

Yeah baby. And the BMW is rear wheel drive ///

[321]

Originally Posted by Redline

Yea, I'm just trying to say Porsche, Honda, Bmw are the few companies that push the limits on their engine on their top model cars.

If thats all you were trying to say then you failed.

That CLS is tuned.. Not exactly apples to oranges...
(Enough beating around the bush!)

Im a GT-R fanboi!
Tuned GT-R can neva LOOOSE!
GT-R FTMFW!

(now thats how fanboi's roll)

/class

[Redline]

there is obviously some sort of confusion here...

I didn't say anything about "loaded" M3, GT2, or Turbocharged cars.

I just said Top Model Cars and didn't say time on the Ring. I even said on a previous post that I was looking at GT3 not GT2 when talking about pushing the power on the displacement.

If I'm not mistaken GT3 is the most powerful in its class of engines, add to the fact that it does have a bunch of high technologies to get the car moving fast.

Bmw M3, looking at the newest one, has a 4.0Liter that produces 415 or so hp. Tell me another car that can produced that much through an engine that is N/A besides the GT3.

Also out of all the car companies from Japan the only one I see that can build a GREAT engine is Honda. They build engines for everything from bikes, boats, cars, etc.
GTR is no doubt probably the most powerful car from Japan, but it is Turbocharged. I want to look at the potential from a N/A standpoint to see how much they can pull out before they have to stick a turbo in it in order to push the performance.

So from a "factory tuned" standpoint I feel Honda, Bmw, and Porsche know how to build engines, and GTR would be so much more powerful

[321]

Originally Posted by Redline

I want to look at the potential from a N/A standpoint to see how much they can pull out before they have to stick a turbo in it in order to push the performance.

Why? N/A is old technology.(flame suit on) When you add a turbo in the mix you achieve more reliability(than high strung n/a's) and more power from the same amount of displacement. I see nothing but plus'. You are going to see a lot more turbocharged applications in our go green era because it is more efficient.

[~AJ]

Originally Posted by Redline

Bmw M3, looking at the newest one, has a 4.0Liter that produces 415 or so hp. Tell me another car that can produced that much through an engine that is N/A besides the GT3.

Z06

[Sephiroth]

Originally Posted by zba857

Why? N/A is old technology.(flame suit on) When you add a turbo in the mix you achieve more reliability(than high strung n/a's)

Disagree.

Turbo vs. N/A is simply a difference in styles, not necessarily a new age vs. old school difference. There is no reason to believe Turbo is more reliable than N/A, especially when it comes to aftermarket Turbo upgrades, but Turbos aren't necessarily less reliable either.

[Fast Kiwi]

Turbos have been around FOR EVER!!! You get different types of power from N/A vs Turbo.. also for real life people that have budgets, turbo is a good answer for power as to bulid a car n/a would cost 10 fold to what tuning a f/i car would. my fav is the audi R10 FTW

if price is no object, other wise im gonna settle on the GTR!!

[321]

Originally Posted by 1love

Disagree.

Turbo vs. N/A is simply a difference in styles, not necessarily a new age vs. old school difference. There is no reason to believe Turbo is more reliable than N/A, especially when it comes to aftermarket Turbo upgrades, but Turbos aren't necessarily less reliable either.

To get the same amount of power out of an n/a it will be less reliable then a turbo.

Originally Posted by Fast kiwi

Turbos have been around FOR EVER!!! You get different types of power from N/A vs Turbo.. also for real life people that have budgets, turbo is a good answer for power as to bulid a car n/a would cost 10 fold to what tuning a f/i car would. my fav is the audi R10 FTW

if price is no object, other wise im gonna settle on the GTR!!

Turbos have been around forever, yes. But f/i hasn't been around as long as n/a.(sure we are only talking a decade or so but its still there)

The R10 is a prime example and a testament to efficiency. Watching it pull away from gt2 cars is like turtle and hare. Its not as nimble through the twisties but it is peerless through the straights. Its one of my favorites as well.:headbang:

[Fast Kiwi]

Couldnt agree more.. it does get caught up some what in the twisties... which is where f/i has its "limits" vs n/a but it more then makes up for it down the stright or leaving the corners which is where its gonna count.. That car just slames away from everyone.. Amazing to watch and yourv never heard a car this power full so quiet but thats another story.

[Redline]

Originally Posted by AJ~

Z06

How big is the engine in the Zo6?

[Dave]

Did the vtec kick in yet in this thead? Haha......