[infinitekidM2C]

Originally Posted by Tommy-G

I don’t come from money but I always think if it’s something I wouldn’t do, or couldn’t do or they make me feel like I’m special in the way they treat me…..I’m giving them something

So basically you tip your hooker.

[bayarea328xit]

The wage negotiated between a worker and the hiring person should assume that no one tips. It is not okay for person hiring to take advantage of tipping customs in negotiating the wage.

Including the expected/customary tip into the price (as a way to eliminate tipping) does not make sense. People who can barely afford a purchase (assuming they won't tip) will be priced out of the purchase. Also, I don't expect businesses to pass on the price increase directly to the workers - they'll likely take a cut of this increase.

I had a sub-minimum wage job (working in my family's near-zero-profit business) for almost a decade. In the very rare instances I got a tip, it really helped and made me feed good.

I think tipping should be a personal choice. I always tip very generously - sometimes even if I am not happy with the service. You never know when someone is having a sh1t day, having a hard time with xxx, etc. If I'm expensing my purchase, I don't ask for reimbursement of the tip. I don't want the person reimbursing me to cover my particular tipping habit nor do I want their response/reaction to influence how I tip.

I'm just waiting for credit card company's algorithm to figure out that I'm actually good at math; I don't need email alerts asking if I've made a mistake in the amount I added as a tip.

As I was writing this, I realized that the only people I don't tip are the cashiers at grocery stores (assuming I don't use self check-out). I'll try it out next time - buy a gift card for the grocery store and offer it to the cashier when I leave.

[villybiv]

Originally Posted by Tyga11

I'm having new carpet installed in my house (as we speak) and I'm curious if it's expected to tip them?

The entire job is costing me $6k and it's thru a major company (not random guys off the street)

If so, what amount? There are 2 of them and they'll probably be here all day

I'd probably tip the guys before they start working

[M5Rick]

Carpet fitters have a back breaking job so it depends on the individual, I guess the richer the person then why not.

[TheWatchGuy]

Originally Posted by bayarea328xit

The wage negotiated between a worker and the hiring person should assume that no one tips. It is not okay for person hiring to take advantage of tipping customs in negotiating the wage.

Including the expected/customary tip into the price (as a way to eliminate tipping) does not make sense. People who can barely afford a purchase (assuming they won't tip) will be priced out of the purchase. Also, I don't expect businesses to pass on the price increase directly to the workers - they'll likely take a cut of this increase.

I had a sub-minimum wage job (working in my family's near-zero-profit business) for almost a decade. In the very rare instances I got a tip, it really helped and made me feed good.

I think tipping should be a personal choice. I always tip very generously - sometimes even if I am not happy with the service. You never know when someone is having a sh1t day, having a hard time with xxx, etc. If I'm expensing my purchase, I don't ask for reimbursement of the tip. I don't want the person reimbursing me to cover my particular tipping habit nor do I want their response/reaction to influence how I tip.

I'm just waiting for credit card company's algorithm to figure out that I'm actually good at math; I don't need email alerts asking if I've made a mistake in the amount I added as a tip.

As I was writing this, I realized that the only people I don't tip are the cashiers at grocery stores (assuming I don't use self check-out). I'll try it out next time - buy a gift card for the grocery store and offer it to the cashier when I leave.

Underlined - In these type of situations, manual labor jobs, the employer isnt expecting tips for their workers. Doesnt mean you cant tip them. I tip movers, people that work on my house (rare since i do almost everything myself), people that work on my cars, etc.


Bold - food for thought, a lot of times these employees cant take gift cards. theres a lot of cases of employees keeping the bonus gift cards that you get with certain purchases so a lot of stores just say no gift cards for employees or you have to show the receipt for when you purchased the gift card.

when i worked at best buy in college, there were a handful of people that got fired over gift cards in the few months i worked there. ranging from people that were gifted cards from customers, found a gift card somewhere and a couple that outright stole gift cards.

[TheWatchGuy]

Originally Posted by e90335e36m3

I'm more entitled to your money than you are. It's just the new social construct. Sounds a lot like someone else paying your student loans. None of this stuff was a thing as late as the 90s.

no one is saying you have to tip them, but tipping someone, especially someone performing a service for you, is just a nice thing to do.

Always find it so odd that everytime a topic like this comes on this forum, a BMW forum where nearly everyone is driving a BMW and isnt exactly hurting for money, that there are always some that get so butthurt about tips. $10-20 isnt going to make or break you, but it could make someone's day.

[bayarea328xit]

Originally Posted by TheWatchGuy

Underlined - In these type of situations, manual labor jobs, the employer isnt expecting tips for their workers. Doesnt mean you cant tip them. I tip movers, people that work on my house (rare since i do almost everything myself), people that work on my cars, etc.


Bold - food for thought, a lot of times these employees cant take gift cards. theres a lot of cases of employees keeping the bonus gift cards that you get with certain purchases so a lot of stores just say no gift cards for employees or you have to show the receipt for when you purchased the gift card.

when i worked at best buy in college, there were a handful of people that got fired over gift cards in the few months i worked there. ranging from people that were gifted cards from customers, found a gift card somewhere and a couple that outright stole gift cards.

Good point re gift cards for cashiers. I'll check with the store manager re their policy before attempting it.

Also, re Underlined , I understand what you are saying. I know that servers at restaurants are always struggling with their effective wage (including projected tips) being used to argue for a lower base wage -- I think that is unfair.

[Maynard]

You'd be doing them a big favor if you go over to the manager and pay them a specific compliment too. Those kind of jobs, the only customers motivated to give specific feedback are complaining, so a compliment will really stand out.

[Our03z4]

As someone who owns two service companies and pays well I can tell you that when employees get tips it means the absolute world to them. Especially when it's been a hard day and people show they actually appreciate the work they did. Service workers have a tendency to get looked down on and we know it when it happens. Heck even being the owner I get looked down on, clients will say stupid stuff when in reality I'm living better than some of them. But hey when they think that it's time for a price increase. But anyway it's truly the thought that counts and some extra spending money is always nice, especially right now. And just fyi when ever someone does something for me they ALWAYS get a nice tip. Thanks for thinking about them!

[cmyx6go]

I tip anyone that comes to my house as long as they do a good job and aren’t assholes. Movers, repairmen, alarm techs, and especially the pool guys in my last house. You get great service and are prioritized when you are a regular customer and tip the guys. When I call because I need something, they come in a heartbeat.

I will not however tip a cashier. It seems every store I go to lately has a tip cup by the register. The one exception to this is a guy that worked at a Starbucks I used to frequent. He would see me coming and have my coffee ready before I walked in the door.

Question for the anti tipper crowd. Does this only apply to home services? Do you tip waiters/waitresses? Barber/hair dresser? Do you give holiday tips? Cleaning lady? I take care of anyone that does the right thing by me. I personally give gifts to employees that go above and beyond on top of anything my company gives them.
If I need something like a last minute appt, I get what I need.

[cmyx6go]

A lot of these workers get treated like shit. I had a furniture delivery guy apologize like crazy when he asked if he could use my bathroom. He was so surprised when I replied of course he could. When I asked him why he was so surprised he said most customers would not allow it. WTF?

[RickFLM4]

[QUOTE=cmyx6go;28725425]I tip anyone that comes to my house as long as they do a good job and aren’t assholes. Movers, repairmen, alarm techs, and especially the pool guys in my last house. You get great service and are prioritized when you are a regular customer and tip the guys. When I call because I need something, they come in a heartbeat.

I will not however tip a cashier. It seems every store I go to lately has a tip cup by the register. The one exception to this is a guy that worked at a Starbucks I used to frequent. He would see me coming and have my coffee ready before I walked in the door.

Question for the anti tipper crowd. Does this only apply to home services? Do you tip waiters/waitresses? Barber/hair dresser? Do you give holiday tips? Cleaning lady? I take care of anyone that does the right thing by me. I personally give gifts to employees that go above and beyond on top of anything my company gives them.
If I need something like a last minute appt, I get what I need.[/QU OTE]

I tip waiters/waitresses and the lady who cuts my hair. I rarely get food deliveries, but tip food delivery people too. If I get help with bags at a hotel or airport, I tip them. I tip Uber / Lyft drivers. I used to tip valet parking when I occasionally used them but since one stole my wife's handicap placard, I no longer valet. People that are regulars (car wash, housekeeping, landscaping, mailman) get Christmas tips.

My tip to all the pool service people over the years was to find something else to do because they suck at maintaining pools and I do it myself now. I'm sure there's someone else that I tip, but can't think of them now.

I don't tip tradesmen or installers, cashiers, or many others, anyone who sucks at what they do, is an a-hole or doesn't seem to appreciate the tip.

[No one]

Originally Posted by cmyx6go

Question for the anti tipper crowd. Does this only apply to home services? Do you tip waiters/waitresses? Barber/hair dresser? Do you give holiday tips? Cleaning lady?

I believe you shouldn't give anything extra unless they've done anything extra (beyond their job duties you pay for anyway).

Undeserved tips just spoil those people. And they want more, just as usual.

I recall a hotel employee showing me the room and the look he gave me when I gave him a dollar (I don't think that could be "too little", he was rather a manager, I guess). He was professional enough to skip any remarks, though.

Last time I dealt with a plumber I gave him the generous "edge" of what he asked. The next day I had to call him again to fix the "unwanted consequences" of his previous work. He claimed an outstanding sum for closing a tap in the basement. I requested a receipt. He did it for free instead.

[ezaircon4jc]

Originally Posted by cmyx6go

...
Question for the anti tipper crowd...Do you tip waiters/waitresses?..

When restaurants started charging the 3% fee to cover staffing costs, I reduced my tip by 3%. Now that they get $15 an hour plus tips, my base tip is now 10% vs. the 15% it used to be. I still will go to 20% based on the level of service and on holidays. I do not tip the tax, even though the suggested tip on the receipt is calculated with the tax.

I do tip the lady that does my hair (I don't really know why, but my wife says I need to); though I only get it cut 2 or 3 times a year. I have been known to give my service advisor a Starbucks card at Christmas. I will never tip the mailman (why?) nor someone I'm already paying to do a job.

As I asked, where does it end? Justification for one profession is equally valid for another. Would you tip the stew on the plane? The pilot? The air traffic controller (who has a great deal to do with the on-time performance)? The trash truck driver? The firefighter that puts out a fire? The person that holds the door open for you? The guy driving the train/trolley/subway? The guy that takes your ticket? The list is endless...

[e90335e36m3]

Originally Posted by TheWatchGuy

no one is saying you have to tip them, but tipping someone, especially someone performing a service for you, is just a nice thing to do.

Always find it so odd that everytime a topic like this comes on this forum, a BMW forum where nearly everyone is driving a BMW and isnt exactly hurting for money, that there are always some that get so butthurt about tips. $10-20 isnt going to make or break you, but it could make someone's day.

That's not the point I was making. Sure, I have the ability to tip everyone. However, There is a shift in perception on this and related matters altogether. It is now an expectation regardless of the type of service rendered. Even where the service rendered is nominal, the expectation exists. You hand me a cookie, then turn the iPad to tip, with settings at 15, 18 and 20 percent. Politicians then exploit and exacerbate mindset by applying it to other things, like school loan forgiveness, etc. the entitlement mindset is a dangerous one and it's a slippery slope.

[shoei]

Originally Posted by e90335e36m3

That's not the point I was making. Sure, I have the ability to tip everyone. However, There is a shift in perception on this and related matters altogether. It is now an expectation regardless of the type of service rendered. Even where the service rendered is nominal, the expectation exists. You hand me a cookie, then turn the iPad to tip, with settings at 15, 18 and 20 percent. Politicians then exploit and exacerbate mindset by applying it to other things, like school loan forgiveness, etc. the entitlement mindset is a dangerous one and it's a slippery slope.

You mean, kinda like when someone feels entitled to shit because they didn't have their student loans wiped out in the 90's?

You're the reason furniture delivery workers feel embarrassed and apologetic when they ask to use the restroom. You do realize we're ALL sitting on this fucking rock that we're all sitting on and hurtling through space. It's not just about you - there are others who don't have it as well as others. If you have the ability to make someone's day a bit better, there's no harm in it.

[e90335e36m3]

Originally Posted by shoei

You mean, kinda like when someone feels entitled to shit because they didn't have their student loans wiped out in the 90's?

You're the reason furniture delivery workers feel embarrassed and apologetic when they ask to use the restroom. You do realize we're ALL sitting on this fucking rock that we're all sitting on and hurtling through space. It's not just about you - there are others who don't have it as well as others. If you have the ability to make someone's day a bit better, there's no harm in it.

You have me figured out from a few posts. Nice.

[shoei]

Originally Posted by e90335e36m3

You have me figured out from a few posts. Nice.

Originally Posted by e90335e36m3

I'm more entitled to your money than you are. It's just the new social construct. Sounds a lot like someone else paying your student loans. None of this stuff was a thing as late as the 90s.

Nah. More like ONE post. It's what you said, no? Don't need much more than that gem

[No one]

Originally Posted by ezaircon4jc

I do tip the lady that does my hair (I don't really know why, but my wife says I need to);

That's to prevent the lady from going the full extent to earn it.

Originally Posted by ezaircon4jc

The person that holds the door open for you?

It's cmyx6go herself! You should give her something or she'll get angry.

[cmyx6go]

Originally Posted by No one

That's to prevent the lady from going the full extent to earn it.



It's cmyx6go herself! You should give her something or she'll get angry.

Oh boy. Just a thank you will do.

[DocL]

I am against tipping people for doing their job. But I do tip people who deserve a tip by providing me good to excellent customer service. That means I tip my hair stylist, restaurant servers, service advisors at dealerships, and A/C guys. I don't tip people who have government paid jobs such as mail delivery, trash pick up, police, etc. But I will offer them cold drinks if I see them outside, or a courtesy discount off of my services if they come to me as a patient. I also give discounts for school employees where my kids go to school.