F1 2022: Saudi Arabian GP - Jeddah (March 27)

F87source · 03-21-2022, 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

IMHO .The 'Jeddah Street Circuit is a "Car Graveyard" Remember the 2021 race ...
It was a mess with all those walls all over the place , when something goes wrong , there's NO escape !
Let's hope ...This time they can keep it safe !

P1 ?
This one (Jeddah) and P1 is for Sainz , because he can get Charlie's race mappings from Bahrain as well ..
And Binotto said : We don't have a first driver !

1 - Sainz
2 - Charlie
3 - MAX
4 - Checo
5 - HAM
6 - RUS
And hopefully P7 - Is for Kmag...Go KEVIN !!!

Can't wait ...

Lol you don't even have proof they were on different engine modes.

GuidoK · 03-22-2022, 06:08 AM

Normally I really like street circuits, but this is my least favorite one.
I like street circuits because of their usual bumpyness, and sometimes really slow corners, which demands a totally different setup, but this one is neither.

My prediction:
1. VER
2. LEC
3. SAI
4. HAM
5. PER
6. GAS
7. RUS
8. KMAG
9. ALO
10. TSU

M5Rick · 03-22-2022, 07:07 AM

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Originally Posted by F87source

Lol you don't even have proof they were on different engine modes.

For sure PU modes are top secret but it's a fair assumption seing the performance of the F cars at Bahrain.

M5Rick · 03-22-2022, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Foghorn

Except he wouldn’t need to if the rules were followed. Remember the part where someone got fired for that? Or the part where the FIA said it was an error on his part?

It’s a ridiculous argument to say otherwise.

How many times was HAM let off inexplicably for misdemeanours which should have been punished or even more action taken, I don't suppose you have heard the saying 'What goes around comes around' if not then 'Even Steven's' should be known to you

M5Rick · 03-22-2022, 07:43 AM

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Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

IMHO .The 'Jeddah Street Circuit is a "Car Graveyard" Remember the 2021 race ...
It was a mess with all those walls all over the place , when something goes wrong , there's NO escape !
Let's hope ...This time they can keep it safe !

P1 ?
This one (Jeddah) and P1 is for Sainz , because he can get Charlie's race mappings from Bahrain as well ..
And Binotto said : We don't have a first driver !

1 - Sainz
2 - Charlie
3 - MAX
4 - Checo
5 - HAM
6 - RUS
And hopefully P7 - Is for Kmag...Go KEVIN !!!

Can't wait ...

One second my friend, Marko has said just now that a set up change from Friday to Saturday may have been the wrong one leading to higher tyre deg compared to the F cars when Max was challenging. Aside from the fuel problem which should be sorted soon I think the higher top speeds at jedda should give Max some advantage all being well with the strip down and repair.

Killed by Death · 03-22-2022, 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by GuidoK

Normally I really like street circuits, but this is my least favorite one.
I like street circuits because of their usual bumpyness, and sometimes really slow corners, which demands a totally different setup, but this one is neither.

My prediction:
1. VER
2. LEC
3. SAI
4. HAM
5. PER
6. GAS
7. RUS
8. KMAG
9. ALO
10. TSU

Sounds about right, RB seems to have the top speed advantage. Wondering if the undercut will be as strong as Bahrain?

GuidoK · 03-22-2022, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Killed by Death

Sounds about right, RB seems to have the top speed advantage. Wondering if the undercut will be as strong as Bahrain?

Yeah, VER made up some good time with that.
Provided RB can solve their fuel issue (or whatever it is), I give VER a chance.
LEC is just as VER a very very good qualifier which of course is very important on a street circuit, but maybe RB can give VER a tactical advantage during the race by letting Checo do some disturbing things (go box really late and slow down the red Ferrari train).
So I put VER on #1 and PER a bit lower.
I still rate RB tactically the best team. Last race Ferrari could only fence off RB during the undercuts because the car was better but every undercut VER won 4-6 seconds, and it forced LEC to use softs where maybe mediums would have been better if he would have continued his racepace undisturbed.

But lets see and wait what happens, it's just a prediction.

I'm also mostly curious if Mercedes is coming with a car that looks totally different within one week or if upgrades will take more time.
1st test session in barcelona they of course had a more conventional looking car.

HeelToeShift · 03-22-2022, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by NYG

Charles qualified P4 last year in that terrible car. Depending on what the car changes will be I think we'll see:

P1: LEC
P2: VER
P3: PER
P4: SAI
P5: BOT

I like both Charles and Max A LOT so I'm pretty happy seeing either of them taking the win.

Same here. As long as MB doesn't win, I'm good - but then again, just goes to show, even Ham being a great driver, cannot take a decent car and make it a winning car. Enjoy watching him in a car that isn't multiple standard deviations better than the next best car(s).

NYG · 03-22-2022, 10:25 AM

I don't see the RB competing with Ferrari at Jeddah even with higher trap speeds. Charles was a few tenths faster - the difference is pretty big. I think Max gets P2 just because he's a beast. I'd like to see Max in P1 but I'm not sure it will happen at Jeddah. I think Australia will be Red Bull's first win.

Folks are still underestimating Charles and Ferrari. They look exceptionally good right now - their main mission is to keep up with upgrades along side their competitors.

///M Power-Belgium · 03-22-2022, 11:13 AM

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Originally Posted by F87source

Lol you don't even have proof they were on different engine modes.

Wait & See

///M Power-Belgium · 03-22-2022, 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by NYG

I don't see the RB competing with Ferrari at Jeddah even with higher trap speeds. Charles was a few tenths faster - the difference is pretty big. I think Max gets P2 just because he's a beast. I'd like to see Max in P1 but I'm not sure it will happen at Jeddah. I think Australia will be Red Bull's first win.

Folks are still underestimating Charles and Ferrari. They look exceptionally good right now - their main mission is to keep up with upgrades along side their competitors.

'If MAX wants to win this race ...

He must do it in QF-3 by shaving walls like crazy ( remember last year )

If he can pull P1 in QF ..That's the only way to beat Ferrari on this rat-trap- track .
And in the race ,then It's all about elbows out while he closes the doors ..

Otherwise It's P1/P2 for Ferrari again with the World Champions Car !

Mercedes won't be there in the top-5

Killed by Death · 03-22-2022, 12:18 PM

NYG · 03-22-2022, 12:29 PM

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Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

He must do it in QF-3 by shaving walls like crazy ( remember last year )

That was one of the most beautiful laps I've ever seen up until the clash.

///M Power-Belgium · 03-22-2022, 12:31 PM

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Originally Posted by M5Rick

One second my friend, Marko has said just now that a set up change from Friday to Saturday may have been the wrong one leading to higher tyre deg compared to the F cars when Max was challenging. Aside from the fuel problem which should be sorted soon I think the higher top speeds at jedda should give Max some advantage all being well with the strip down and repair.

///M Power-Belgium · 03-22-2022, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by NYG

That was one of the most beautiful laps I've ever seen up until the clash.

Spot on my friend !

And as you can see : Alonso's reaction was gold ...

F87source · 03-22-2022, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Wait & See

Literally proves nothing... Even if sainz out qualified Charles it doesn't factually prove they were on different engine modes.

Killed by Death · 03-22-2022, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

No you didn't

You win the internet for the day

inTgr8r · 03-22-2022, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by F87source

Literally proves nothing... Even if sainz out qualified Charles it doesn't factually prove they were on different engine modes.

Exactly...

Also; why would they purposely run 1 car de-tuned?
Makes zero sense

///M Power-Belgium · 03-22-2022, 01:07 PM

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Originally Posted by inTgr8r

Exactly...

Also; why would they purposely run 1 car de-tuned?
Makes zero sense

It was just the first 'real race test with the Ferrari (SuperFast) PU .
Ferrari played with 2 cards : A King and a Ace ...
IMHO. Nothing can stop Ferrari !

EDIT : Binotto => https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/10682...di-arabia.html

F87source · 03-22-2022, 01:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

It was just the first 'real race test with the Ferrari (SuperFast) PU .
IMHO. Nothing can stop Ferrari !

EDIT : Binotto => https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/10682...di-arabia.html

Still doesn't mean they detuned sainz's engine over Charles.

///M Power-Belgium · 03-22-2022, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by F87source

Literally proves nothing... Even if sainz out qualified Charles it doesn't factually prove they were on different engine modes.

You must be blind ...Not to see what was going on.

Charlie => Pulled away from MAX very easily : A gap from 3-5 sec. in 5 laps .
Sainz => No way he was able to follow MAX .

I've seen the whole race 3 times now ...
The Ferrari power situation (distribution) was more than clear !

On the other hand : Where was Charlie last year ?
And what showed Sainz last year ?
Sainz wins next weekend !

This discussion is over ...

inTgr8r · 03-22-2022, 01:59 PM

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Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

You must be blind ...Not to see what was going on.

Charlie => Pulled away from MAX very easily : A gap from 3-5 sec. in 5 laps .
Sainz => No way he was able to follow MAX .

...

Doesn't mean it was because of engine mapping.

Car setup (drag) has a huge effect on speed.
I can definitely see then trying two different car setups.

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