[Alfisti]

I don't get it, it's the same thing, a 2 box arrangement on wheels for both vehicles but one has sliding doors so it's no good. Shit baffles me at times.

[bucketfoot]

This is real simple... you buy the car that fits the need. That car plain and simply is a minivan. Nothing works better for your circumstance.

[mantis]

Originally Posted by bucketfoot

This is real simple... you buy the car that fits the need. That car plain and simply is a minivan. Nothing works better for your circumstance.

just a little insistant huh

[MmmmmM2]

Originally Posted by aftercorbu

Thank. Now I have that jingle going through my head.

I have been through the van stage with the kids. And honestly there was a lot to say for the sliding door and all the stuff. Not too huge to park, etc.

You and me both!!! GRRRRRRR!!!

[bucketfoot]

Originally Posted by mantis

just a little insistant huh

Really not trying to get on a soapbox, but I've been there and done all that. If you decide to have a family and will not put their needs over you own individual wants, well I won't go any further...

This is of course my biased opinion

[spazzyfry123]

Land Cruiser

[mantis]

Originally Posted by bucketfoot

Really not trying to get on a soapbox, but I've been there and done all that. If you decide to have a family and will not put their needs over you own individual wants, well I won't go any further...

This is of course my biased opinion

sure glad we can choose for ourselves, and not have to conform to your standards or obtuse thoughts

[bucketfoot]

Originally Posted by mantis

sure glad we can choose for ourselves, and not have to conform to your standards or obtuse thoughts

Actually the obtuse thoughts would be to do otherwise

But hey, to each their own

[freakystyly]

You could.. no, should... get a Ford F-650 six door and parallel park on top of other cars. Do it for the kids.

[Smgs1992]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

I don't get it, it's the same thing, a 2 box arrangement on wheels for both vehicles but one has sliding doors so it's no good. Shit baffles me at times.

I dont get this. He doesnt want a minivan plain and simple. It is his life and money. You will never drive it so why are you pushing so hard for him to get one?

Perhaps he cares about resale value. Just for example a 1999 minivan regardless of brand is worth about $500 vs a $3500 1999 yukon. Minivans depreciate like crazy and it makes zero sense to buy one brand new when theyll be worth a 1/4 of the original price in 5yrs.

[bucketfoot]

Originally Posted by Smgs1992

I dont get this. He doesnt want a minivan plain and simple. It is his life and money. You will never drive it so why are you pushing so hard for him to get one?

Actually his comments were...

Originally Posted by dsad1

The looks don't bother me, but I am a sucker for new technology, features and comfort. Would be nice to have a "higher end" mini van on the market.

Nowhere do I see "I don't want a minivan plain and simple"

But I definitely get what he is saying on a high end minivan.

[freakystyly]

If the sky's the limit on budget you could easily deck out a Mercedes Sprinter van as nice as any S class. Plus have room for 10 more kids. There's loads of renders on pinterest to get an idea.

[mantis]

Originally Posted by bucketfoot

Actually the obtuse thoughts would be to do otherwise

But hey, to each their own

now you're being acute

[mantis]

Originally Posted by freakystyly

If the sky's the limit on budget you could easily deck out a Mercedes Sprinter van as nice as any S class. Plus have room for 10 more kids. There's loads of renders on pinterest to get an idea.

so much kid friendly crap could be done to one of these, its crazy.

[SteveinArizona]

Much as I hate to say it, you need a minivan. Try parking the suburban or Escalade! If you are really concerned, you can have it tuned so you will have the fastest minivan in history. See, for example:

https://www.autoweek.com/drives/a183...s-first-drive/

[dsad1]

Thanks everone, I researched minivans but just can't get excited about the interior. Still want a car I can enjoy to drive, and I don't want to go the three car route.

I agree with you guys who are saying that I might as well have extra room and not get in a situation where everyone is too cramped. Suburban/esv/xl seems to be the way to go, parking is not really an issue here.

[ZL9M2]

Full size Suburban/Escalade is the way to go. I have four kids and have had a Suburban for a daily for the last 15 yrs. The Yukon and other mini SUV's run out of rear storage room when loaded with kids. If you don't need to tow and don't mind driving a turd then the minivan could work... but still less rear storage than the full size SUV.

[rice_rocket88]

I'm actually curious how the new Kia Sedona minivan/suv mixup is going to look for 2022. Although I have not driven in the new Caddy as the OP has mentioned, I have driven in all of the other mentioned options of Yukons and Suburbans (about 5 yrs ago) and.. they kind of sucked, so unless they went leaps and bounds better I don't quite get it. Come to think of it I might have been driven in the Caddy in the first couple of generations, and that was nothing to remember either.

I think Tech wise, it might only be the infotainment for the front, as for rear passengers, there's nothing fancy other than more screens. Although middle row captains chairs seems pretty cool.

From what I seem to remember from the Yukon XL Denali was that it was a truck, felt like a truck, drove like a tank, floated like a boat, creaked like a battleship. Kind of looked cool, but honestly was a chore to get in and drive. The last rental car SUV we got was also pretty plush, but again, nothing came to mind other than it felt and handled bloated.

What's surprising is when you then compare to the minivan it drives like a sports car. Not nearly as much body-roll and feels lighter. Capacity wise, ease of using the rear storage and of course.. those sliding rear doors is priceless. Honestly speaking, get your kids and wife, grab a bunch of bags or groceries, get them to try to throw them all in/out of the vehicles you are trying, ask them to get in and out of all of them, and see which makes them happier.

My kids are younger, but they are too short to reach anything useful from the trunk of a Yukon's trunk (when we were on vacation). They also often have issues flipping/moving the middle row to get out of the back of the 3rd row also. Heck, I get frustrated when I go to drop of the kids going to school and the same Mom in her SUV has to wait and get help for her kids that insist on sitting in the 3rd row of the SUV in the kids drop off line. It never fails morning after morning one kid pops out of the middle row, and the other two kids struggle to get out, the mom gets out of her car, she gets yelled at for leaving the vehicle... someone shuffles over and tries to get the kids out while the entire line of cars are emptied and still waiting for them. Minivans roll up, sliding door opens.. kids run out, sliding door remotely closes.. all done.

I've owned a couple Odysseys, not a lot different, the Toyota's also not a lot different. I've grown up with at least one or two of my friends who got to drive the family minivan.. they just work and are nice. I like SUV's, but they just never pull off the 3rd row well. The solution is to try to make it bigger, but then the handling, weight, height just doesn't work, nor does the fact that it does not have a sliding door for the rear.

[Alfisti]

last two posts are sorta what I am getting at. Day to day, the van is just so easy to live with. I have never owned one but rented them a few times and man, so easy.

[ntg44]

Durango SRT with 2nd row captain's chairs and a removable top mount cargo box when necessary?

[bucketfoot]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

last two posts are sorta what I am getting at. Day to day, the van is just so easy to live with. I have never owned one but rented them a few times and man, so easy.

Agree completely. We had an Odyssey before we got our Pilot.

The Pilot was fine once the kids were grown, but other than it not being a minivan, there was nothing that the Pilot was better at than the Odyssey.

[Joe240]

Originally Posted by rice_rocket88

I'm actually curious how the new Kia Sedona minivan/suv mixup is going to look for 2022. Although I have not driven in the new Caddy as the OP has mentioned, I have driven in all of the other mentioned options of Yukons and Suburbans (about 5 yrs ago) and.. they kind of sucked, so unless they went leaps and bounds better I don't quite get it. Come to think of it I might have been driven in the Caddy in the first couple of generations, and that was nothing to remember either.

I think Tech wise, it might only be the infotainment for the front, as for rear passengers, there's nothing fancy other than more screens. Although middle row captains chairs seems pretty cool.

From what I seem to remember from the Yukon XL Denali was that it was a truck, felt like a truck, drove like a tank, floated like a boat, creaked like a battleship. Kind of looked cool, but honestly was a chore to get in and drive. The last rental car SUV we got was also pretty plush, but again, nothing came to mind other than it felt and handled bloated.

What's surprising is when you then compare to the minivan it drives like a sports car. Not nearly as much body-roll and feels lighter. Capacity wise, ease of using the rear storage and of course.. those sliding rear doors is priceless. Honestly speaking, get your kids and wife, grab a bunch of bags or groceries, get them to try to throw them all in/out of the vehicles you are trying, ask them to get in and out of all of them, and see which makes them happier.

My kids are younger, but they are too short to reach anything useful from the trunk of a Yukon's trunk (when we were on vacation). They also often have issues flipping/moving the middle row to get out of the back of the 3rd row also. Heck, I get frustrated when I go to drop of the kids going to school and the same Mom in her SUV has to wait and get help for her kids that insist on sitting in the 3rd row of the SUV in the kids drop off line. It never fails morning after morning one kid pops out of the middle row, and the other two kids struggle to get out, the mom gets out of her car, she gets yelled at for leaving the vehicle... someone shuffles over and tries to get the kids out while the entire line of cars are emptied and still waiting for them. Minivans roll up, sliding door opens.. kids run out, sliding door remotely closes.. all done.

I've owned a couple Odysseys, not a lot different, the Toyota's also not a lot different. I've grown up with at least one or two of my friends who got to drive the family minivan.. they just work and are nice. I like SUV's, but they just never pull off the 3rd row well. The solution is to try to make it bigger, but then the handling, weight, height just doesn't work, nor does the fact that it does not have a sliding door for the rear.

I hear what you’re saying here. Captains chairs in the middle row (2nd row) solve those issue quite well. Since there’s a space between the 2 seats, the kids in the back can go between the seats and out. There’s also buttons to flip and moved the seat out of the way. The older Chevy twins were difficult like you mentioned. But the 2021+ for both are quite easier now. I’m pleasantly surprised.

Raiti’s Rides on YouTube is pretty thorough of the new suburban walk through. He has other videos of driving and stuff as well, but this one he shows how to access the back seats and he even climbs in. He’s 6’2” or so himself for reference: