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At least Willisch is still saying high rpm....so hopefully it is a low boost turbo system that addresses torque in the low rpm band and for cruising fuel economy. If is like my 335i (i.e. wheezing up top / turbo lag), I will be shopping for a Ferrari
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Well im glad I got the last "true" M car.
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Beyond that the M3 will still look good next to an ///M X6 in the garage. Best regards, south
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Nah man, they won't screw it up. Seriously people, you guys are stressing over nothing.
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BMW M is now following the path of AMG. Yes they will sell more cars, no they won't be more fun. E92 CSL is very important, passing shouldn't even be an option. |
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Very confusing read.
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We'll just have to wait in see...........
IMHO the "M" cars have gone off track a little w/the E60/E92 "M"s..... But a whole new genre is up and coming so again we will have to wait and see................ |
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hm. You may be right. To be honest, I'm not 100% sure what it was anymore anyways. I just know one of the cars they have come out with in the last few years or so was for that purpose.
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The fact that they are going forced induction means they have already screwed up. Lipstick on a pig is what BMW ///M is going to do for a FI to make it "responsive" and lag free - this is the inherent nature of FI engines. Quote:
Precisely! To trade off true cars with fast baby carriers is inherently wrong. ///M has lost their way. No the 335xi is a great series car. But I hold ///M cars to a different standard. Anyone who has ever throttle steered will know what I am talking about.
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Lets hope they revolutionize turbocharging then.
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Good point. But perhaps a Bi-Turbo setup could make its way into the M division. From what I understand this type of FI setup offers no lag. . .
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comeon guys... lets look at it another way...
1) maybe BMW M FI might not be so bad... let's wait and see. from the N54, which has virtually no lag, a FI M engine might surprize you. new technologies come out everyday, perhaps FI has an impression of being laggy and not sporty and non-M, but with new development, thing will change! 2) perhaps a higher sales volume will give M GmbH more R&D resources for a better future car? comeon guys, don't be so pessimistic and judgmental... let have faith in our favorite car company enjoy your M now and let's just wait and see what happens. if i remember correctly when M decided to put a V8 in the E9X, many were skeptical. But look at where we are today -- the E9X M3 is still one of the best sports cars money can buy (perhaps even THE best practical everyday sports car) Last edited by rzm3; 07-30-2008 at 11:59 PM.. |
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I don't think people have fully grasped the choices that BMW ///M has made.....
Turbocharged cars are like enjoying fresh clear air through a gas mask. Where is Mr. Gerhard Richter? He would have NEVER allowed this. This is brand dilution at its worse.
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very very hard to understand whats going to happen with bmw M ..
1.very surprised with no Z4M anymore..not good 2.not surpised at all with the news about X5M and X6M..what about X3..told u they will go mercedeses foot steps 3.will be a some sort of M7 or something great news 4.CS will come to life , the faster the better 5.no M3 CSL...I think there will be one , theyre testing it right now so thats bull 6.no supercar , that sucks they can never compete with lambo ferrari and R8 or even SLR |
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