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Originally Posted by Red Bread

Yeah, totally weird that they'd build to where volume is. Plus they could just keep building the current Box/Cay and it would sell just fine. It's a great chassis.

And the CLS came out ages ago and was called a coupe, how are people just now catching onto this? Literally every brand has some form of four door "coupe."

Would it also surprise people that a whole island of people pronounce the word CoopAy?

But it's a French word that is meant to have an accented e - coupé. Making the koo-PAY pronunciation the correct one.

*I am aware that the majority of your post is sarcasm*

[Dogeeseegod]

Originally Posted by Red Bread

This decision feels akin to picking which one of these twins is prettier.
[IMG]https://img.buzzfeed.com/buzzfeed-st...61823292-7.jpg[/IMG]

Easily the left.

[Funf6cyl]

Love this - the pepita seats and CF roof are quite nice details too! For once, there is a really sexy looking coupe SUV. I owned a GLC63S coupe Edition 1 and while I thought that was much better looking than the X4/6 (worst looking on the market??) the Cayenne Coupe is easily the best looking and will have the quality and performance of Porsche behind it.

[RM7]

So this is like a Panamera wagon that handles crappier?

[c1pher]

Originally Posted by cmyx6go

I see you didn't jump ship on BMW when they started making SUVs in 1999. Or when they starting offering ///Ms in AWD instead of only RWD. No one said anything about abandoning their roots. Why can't a company do both?

Or a non S coded engine in an M car.

[Funf6cyl]

Originally Posted by c1pher

Or a non S coded engine in an M car.

Porsche SUVs and sedans still share more of the Porsche heritage and roots at their core than the BMW cars do if you ask me.

[Red Bread]

Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes

So this is like a Panamera wagon that handles crappier?

Yeah, pretty much. Although likely cheaper. Panamera wags are silly money.

[c1pher]

Originally Posted by Funf6cyl

Porsche SUVs and sedans still share more of the Porsche heritage and roots at their core than the BMW cars do if you ask me.

I do not feel like I am giving up much sportiness driving the Macan over the Boxster.

[gatorfast]

Originally Posted by c1pher

I do not feel like I am giving up much sportiness driving the Macan over the Boxster.

You must have never driven a boxster then. While the macan is sporty for an suv, it's nowhere near as focused and balanced as the boxster.

[No one]

Originally Posted by gatorfast

You must have never driven a boxster then. While the macan is sporty for an suv, it's nowhere near as focused and balanced as the boxster.

Some take doughnut eating as a sport. SUVs are just for those.

[Funf6cyl]

Originally Posted by gatorfast

You must have never driven a boxster then. While the macan is sporty for an suv, it's nowhere near as focused and balanced as the boxster.

I have a 991.2S, 718 GTS, and Macan GTS and they are all world class cars. The Macan is as good as you get for an SUV and it’s a lot of fun on track too despite not being as capable as the other two.

[dgoldenz]

Anyone that thinks the Cayenne/Macan don't drive like a sports car need to drive a turbo with PDCC, the handling is incredible for an SUV its size. I'm still holding out hope for a special edition V8 Macan one of these days because i'd buy it in an instant, but that's probably a pipe dream. Wish they could put the PDK in the Cayenne but apparently they can't due to needing the auto for hauling capacity and the PDK can't handle towing like the auto can. My Cayenne Turbo was also the most comfortable car I've ever driven, the only complaint I had was the auto is nowhere near as smooth shifting as the PDK, it's like night and day. The bang for the buck on a used one is unparalleled IMO.

[c1pher]

Originally Posted by gatorfast

You must have never driven a boxster then. While the macan is sporty for an suv, it's nowhere near as focused and balanced as the boxster.

I own a boxster. You must not have put a Macan Turbo through its paces.

[yousefnjr]

Looks like the same Cayenne they’ve always sold haven’t looked at them side to side, but honestly can’t pinpoint a difference off the top of my head

[gatorfast]

Originally Posted by c1pher

I own a boxster. You must not have put a Macan Turbo through its paces.

I have not but I did do an autox event with a macan GTS. It's heavy and has a high center of gravity which is par for the course for any suv. Again, it performs admirably for an SUV but as an owner of a boxster I don't see how you can even compare the two.

[TheBingoBalls]

Originally Posted by alex2364

Porsche doesn't have enough R&D money for a new gen Cayman/Boxster but they're able to come out with a new coupe SUV. It shows where their prioritizes are.

As far as I know, the Cayman/Boxster is their own chassis/platform that requires Porsche to commit 100% to its R&D for that vehicle. The Cayenne (Coupe) is built on the PL71 platform which is used for the Audi Q7 and the Volkswagen Touareg.

Not hard to see why it would be relatively easier and less of a burden financially to come out with a vehicle that is built on a shared platform and a type of vehicle that people are buying vs. a sports car/roadster which is a niche market and where Porsche would have to commit financially as its own platform/chassis.

Times have changed. Days of unique platforms and powertrains are over.

[GTFM3]

Originally Posted by dgoldenz

Anyone that thinks the Cayenne/Macan don't drive like a sports car need to drive a turbo with PDCC, the handling is incredible for an SUV its size. I'm still holding out hope for a special edition V8 Macan one of these days because i'd buy it in an instant, but that's probably a pipe dream. Wish they could put the PDK in the Cayenne but apparently they can't due to needing the auto for hauling capacity and the PDK can't handle towing like the auto can. My Cayenne Turbo was also the most comfortable car I've ever driven, the only complaint I had was the auto is nowhere near as smooth shifting as the PDK, it's like night and day. The bang for the buck on a used one is unparalleled IMO.

Re: ZF vs PDK...
I just drove the new Cayenne, and the new/revised ZF automatic is as close to my PDK as I have experienced. Both the Cayenne and X5 were never really on my "buy" list, but the new versions of both have IMO improved immensely. Love my Macan, but not interested in new all-electric conversion, nor am I pleased that the ICE Macan will not be updated to new body structure. So it looks like X5 or Cayenne base for me. Acceleration according to C&D, MT essentially identical. Handling and residual value goes to Porsche. Price, maintenance costs and efficiency go to BMW. Design is personal, but my preference is the Porsche (especially interior quality). But there is a $12K premium as specified...minimum. I'm retired, so that's considerable.

[48Laws]

I love all of these vehicles but the prices are getting outrageous. $90k for a Raptor. $90k for a Macan GTS. $115k for X5M. Crazy.

[c1pher]

Originally Posted by 48Laws

I love all of these vehicles but the prices are getting outrageous. $90k for a Raptor. $90k for a Macan GTS. $115k for X5M. Crazy.

I bought CPO. Macan holds 60%+ of its value over five years though. It’s #1 in lowest depreciation.

[48Laws]

Originally Posted by c1pher

I bought CPO. Macan holds 60%+ of its value over five years though. It’s #1 in lowest depreciation.

That’s great to know. Congrats!

[c1pher]

Originally Posted by 48Laws

That’s great to know. Congrats!

There are other sources that validate this number but here’s a link to the latest.
https://www.motortrend.com/news/18-l...ciation-rates/

It also helps me rationalize a 911 down the road since it’s close to the top of the list. I realize I don’t keep cars forever so don’t want to get reamed during the trade or private sale process.

[///M Ryder]

Originally Posted by cmyx6go

I'd consider this when X6M lease is up.

L, if you don't need the room checkout the Macan. This Coupe SUV segment is truly getting out of hand. I would guess the Macan's performance will be better do to it's size......Phil