C&D: Our Alfa Romeo Giulia Quadrifoglio at 10,000 Miles Has Spent a Month in the Shop

Poiseuille · 10-02-2018, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Viffermike

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Originally Posted by Poiseuille

just stunned to read these suggestions that mid-priced Italian hot-rods might be, errrrrr, less than reliable.....stunned I say!

I know, right?

Almost nothing mechanical and has four wheels that is made in Italy is reliable. This truism has applied for decades. Decades. The only real exceptions are some Italian motorcycles (Aprilias, mainly -- especially its scooters) and, IIRC, ItalKart go-karts.

Meanwhile, there's this ad-fueled clickbait drivel from Autobytel, which names the Giulia as the No. 1 most reliable European car in 2018. After laughing my way through that list, I vowed never to read (much less click through) another anything by that entity again.

agree with all that, but Poiseuille Jr prefers Tonykart===>

rlmesq · 10-02-2018, 08:24 PM

T-shirt spotted at a Ducati trackday:

Magneti Marelli

is Italian for

Lucas.

Alfisti · 10-03-2018, 11:41 AM

Heathens the lot of you.

Poiseuille · 10-03-2018, 12:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Alfisti

Heathens the lot of you.

see? now I feel bad.
This would be a good time to remember that back when we were building Corvettes with pushrod sixes and two-speed powerglide transmissions, Alfa did this:

Poiseuille · 10-03-2018, 12:31 PM

and before that they did this:

Run Silent · 10-03-2018, 01:26 PM

Oh, I don't think any of us are arguing that Alfa doesn't build beautiful sports cars. They do, and I absolutely loved driving mine. When I could.

I believe that is the ultimate sin, to create something so wonderful yet forbid those who purchase one from enjoying it, due to reliability issues.

Red Bread · 10-03-2018, 01:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Poiseuille

and before that they did this:

I can't help but see a Beetle roof grafted onto a Duesenberg.

wdb · 10-03-2018, 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Clark_Kent

Disappointing to see this. I'm seeing nothing to distance Alfa Romeo from the reliability generalizations.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...ability-update

Hopefully they get it back before it rusts away.

TheMidnightNarwhal · 10-03-2018, 01:53 PM

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Viffermike · 10-03-2018, 03:04 PM

Basically:

- Italians are fantastic designers.

- Italians are masterful fabricators. (This explains the success of small auto companies there.)

- Italians are horrific manufacturers.

See the distinction?

Captain Blood · 10-03-2018, 03:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Clark_Kent

Disappointing to see this. I'm seeing nothing to distance Alfa Romeo from the reliability generalizations.

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...ability-update

I would love to have this car! But never as a my primary daily driver.

gnx · 10-03-2018, 04:32 PM

What the C&D update basically says is that the Giulia was due for a diff change. A car that has been in the fleet of a car magazine. It's not a big deal. I'm sure that M diffs have been replaced under warranty.

I am not Alfista, have never owned one. Alfisti are kinda stuck in the past, a bit like communists, I would think.

But the Giulia is a GLORIOUS car in every way.

See5 · 10-03-2018, 04:35 PM

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Originally Posted by 10"

I really like the N55 and really enjoyed the sound of my 135is when I had it; but the Alfa engine is waaaaaaaaay better sounding. It sounds totally fierce in a way the N55 never can. A far superior engine to the N55.

Agreed. Actually both modern Ferrari V6's, the Alfa 2.9L and Maserati 3.0L, sound pretty damn awesome.

Clark_Kent · 10-03-2018, 04:38 PM

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Originally Posted by Real Dodger

I would love to have this car! But never as a my primary daily driver.

If I were in the market for a new car and could lease one on favorable terms I would jump on it. But for now I'll enjoy my lowly 18 ZCP

Clark_Kent · 10-03-2018, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by See5

Agreed. Actually both modern Ferrari V6's, the Alfa 2.9L and Maserati 3.0L, sound pretty damn awesome.

+2. The car sounds phenomenal. Not sure there's much to debate. It certainly sounds leaps and bounds better than the S55.

Poiseuille · 10-03-2018, 04:51 PM

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Originally Posted by rlmesq

T-shirt spotted at a Ducati trackday:

[SIZE="6"]Magneti Marelli

is Italian for

Lucas.[/SIZE]

.

rlmesq · 10-04-2018, 10:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Poiseuille

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Yep, Marelli is to modern Italian cars and motorcycles what Lucas (Prince of Darkness) was to classic British cars and bikes.

Why do the British drink warm beer?
Because they have Lucas refrigerators.

Poiseuille · 10-05-2018, 08:18 AM

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Originally Posted by See5

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Originally Posted by 10"

I really like the N55 and really enjoyed the sound of my 135is when I had it; but the Alfa engine is waaaaaaaaay better sounding. It sounds totally fierce in a way the N55 never can. A far superior engine to the N55.

Agreed. Actually both modern Ferrari V6's, the Alfa 2.9L and Maserati 3.0L, sound pretty damn awesome.

".....it's exhaust is made out of Otis Redding"
Jeremy Clarkson

Antkn33 · 06-27-2019, 11:12 AM

Yikes

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...bility-update/

MmmmmM2 · 06-27-2019, 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Antkn33

Yikes

https://www.caranddriver.com/reviews...bility-update/

Not shocked at all.

CrownRoyal79 · 06-27-2019, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by F30ZHP

Not shocked at all.

80 days at the dealership being repaired in the first 14 months! Where do I sign up?

bimmer813 · 06-27-2019, 03:34 PM

I almost made this move (a Giulia following my M235i lease ending) but I'm glad I decided against it and ordered an M340i.

A buddy has a 4C and whenever he takes his car in for service it's backed up behind dozens of problematic Giulias.

They do have solid driving dynamics and can be had for a deal, but it doesn't take many issues for the "savings" to not be worth it because of the amount of time consumed for repairs.

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