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Depends on a few things.
1. Did they contact you about a job or did you search for them? 2. Did you tell them what it would take to get you? 3. Are you qualified enough for them to justify it? I recently switched jobs and went through this situation. They offered me less than I was making and much lower than what i had told them (25% lower). However they contacted me about the job offer and I was more than qualified to justify the higher salary. In the end, they came up to where I was wanting my base pay and bumped up bonus percentages after some back and forth with the owner. After being there a year, I've realized he is just a cheap guy and always low balls everyone in everything he does. If you aren't needing to switch companies, then none of the questions matter because what do you have to lose? |
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First promotion 10k - weak sauce read below had to leave Lateral move to different company 20k plus small bonus Promotion to another company 30k plus fatter bonus. I knew what I was getting into but it's been even more work than I thought and more of my time. So given at the end of the year I will be demanding another raise. I wish those were ten percent figures lol I also know companies where ten percent yearly increase is the norm given that you perform well so it depends how much a company is invested into its human capital. If they screw it lowball you they don't give a shit who they hire and chances are you're working alongside other dead beats which means you are probably one of them most likely. Op don't know if reading correctly but if you get job offers you should also be willing to leave. Getting a better offer just to get a company match isn't that good. Think about it. New company offers you more. Current company matches. One is offering you more money without even knowing you and one is being reactive. Unless current company exceeds match by way more id leave in a heartbeat. And the next time you'll get a bump is when you do it again. Then it gets old and correct company starts thinking you're greedy at best.
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Everyone is either a software engineer, in some sort of investment banking / wealth management or has something directly to do with the company's sles (revenue)... Maybe' I am crazy, but this is somewhat my guess. |
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I'd just pocket this one and hold out for better opptys. Keep a good dialogue though....it's better to have more contacts on your side. |
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imho you go with HR or the recruiter. They should know if what you want is within range. Once they want you, imho you can bump it up reasonably, unless you're talking a C level or sr vp where it is wide open.
let's say you're just a lackey and they offered you $160,000. You are reasonable imho to go back with 180, or say you want 4 wks vacation instead of 3. Maybe 200+ is going to yield a no thank you. |
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If you are interested in taking this job but there are salary or other conditions that would need to be met I would decide on what these factors are and then try to get them, if you really won't take the job even if the conditions are met than you are wasting your and their time. The "I need the offer to be 25% higher than what you are offering to take the job" should only be stated if a 25% higher amount would get you to do it. Them meeting your conditions only for you to say no (because you were seeing if they would do it) really just reflects badly on you. Similar to going to a dealer and telling them they have to come down $2k for you to buy the car, they do it and then you say you aren't interested and just wanted to see what you could get the car for.
As for who to negotiate with I would start with who you interviewed with and ask them. If he says it has to be HR then contact them. The person that wants you working for him will try harder to get what you wanted than some HR person trying to fill a position that has really nothing to do with what you will be doing and who's main goal is to fill the the slot with the lowest cost they can get.
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I've had some really funny experience before...
I've talked to recruiters, they've told me ranges... these ranges never met the offers which were always under, like not even the bottom of the range... then they get me an offer, and they are mad that I am not interested... or better yet, my current company counters and they are mad as well... lol Point being, based on my experience, sadly in todays world everyone is a scumbag and u have to watch your own back and yours only... because the reality is that no one cares, if the market wasnt hot, you would never even receive a phone call back. My first question w a recruiter or anyone involved, is a salary range, not to waste anyone's time... if the offer comes in below, they are straight up scumbags.
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Not so with a job. With a job you have a reputation and integrity. They may have a need in the future where say they are willing to pay you 250k, because the job description is different. When you already have a good job, you need to find the right one to make a move, otherwise, stay put. |
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Either way, you not calling them back to tell them you are not taking the job because you need "$X" leaves them with no idea why you aren't interested and perpetuates the problem. All they know is they offered a job to someone and didn't get a call back, which comes with a whole list of reasons why they didn't get a call. This one time I offered someone less than they wanted for an item they were selling, so what? If the person didn't like the offer they should said it wasn't enough.
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Whoa... David70 and John070... (just sayin'. Carry on.)
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always gotta differentiate between the record keepers and the future record fudgers lol
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Or, to put it another way, one spins the future, the other spins the past. I won't say "lie". In my experience they don't lie - mostly cuz that results in jail.
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Now I do contracting only and make about 30% more than I would as an FTE. This seems to be normal for the Software Engineering industry.
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