[Chez]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Sorry, but the socialist grandpa has as much chance of becoming POTUS as Caitlin Jenner would.

Originally Posted by gonzo

Bernie will beat Hillary.

Hold up.. so you think Bernie will be the Democratic nominee.. but won't win?

As in.. you think one of the republican candidates would beat Bernie in a national vote?

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by Chez

Hold up.. so you think Bernie will be the Democratic nominee.. but won't win?

As in.. you think one of the republican candidates would beat Bernie in a national vote?

This I have no doubt it my mind...

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by ASAP

Which will give an automatic win to Trump

My original premise was that Trump would garner a bunch of followers, back out of the race and then throw his support behind either Cruz or Rubio.

I now believe that he will go the distance.

[Chez]

Originally Posted by ASAP

This I have no doubt it my mind...

Joking aside.. you're serious? You think Donald Trump could win a national election?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...ders-5565.html

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by Chez

Joking aside.. you're serious? You think Donald Trump could win a national election?

You think Bernie could legitimately become the next president?

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Chez

Joking aside.. you're serious? You think Donald Trump could win a national election?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...ders-5565.html

Yes. And the thought of has the establishment petrified.

[Chez]

Originally Posted by ASAP

You think Bernie could legitimately become the next president?

Over Trump (or Cruz)? Yes. Totally.

Against a more moderate candidate such as Rubio, maybe not.

People won't get behind looney tunes at a national level IMO.

[Chez]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Yes. And the thought has the establishment petrified.

And me. The thought of that man representing this country is terrifying.

Just as terrifying is the idea of living among people who would elect that man to public office.

[UncleWede]

Trump said last night (paraphrasing) he is playing the game now, but would be totally different once he gets elected.

And like the internet, it must be true, right?

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by Chez

Over Trump? Yes. Totally.

Against a more moderate candidate such as Rubio, maybe not.

People won't get behind looney tunes at a national level IMO.

My initial thought was Hilary would win it all, but she has fallen so low that I doubt that's happening now. Bernie is a nobody coming out of nowhere, a recurrence of our current President... if Bernie runs vs Trump, Donald will be the winner... there is no doubt about this.

[ASAP]

Originally Posted by UncleWede

Trump said last night (paraphrasing) he is playing the game now, but would be totally different once he gets elected.

And like the internet, it must be true, right?

Lol, Obama said the opposite...

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by gonzo

Sorry, but the socialist grandpa has as much chance of becoming POTUS as Caitlin Jenner would.

I'd be very careful in discounting him. He has a core constituency that will run through walls for him and he will continually gather momentum if he dispatches HRC.

He is dangerous.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by Chez

And me. The thought of that man representing this country is terrifying.

Just as terrifying is the idea of living among people who would elect that man to public office.

I don't know what to tell you.

[Chez]

Originally Posted by gonzo

I don't know what to tell you.

We shall see. I have a feeling it will be Hillary vs someone other than Trump.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by MKSixer

I'd be very careful in discounting him. He has a core constituency that will run through walls for him and he will continually gather momentum if he dispatches HRC.

He is dangerous.

He's going after obama fan club members. Not enough.

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by Chez

Joking aside.. you're serious? You think Donald Trump could win a national election?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...ders-5565.html

Yes.

People are sick and tired of inside-the-beltway politicians and everything about them. HRC is a beltway insider (And that is her most positive attribute). Bernie is will automatically lose 40-45 percent of the vote due to extreme socialism.

Trump can win.

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by gonzo

He's going after obama fan club members. Not enough.

Perhaps.

But historical fact and empirical evidence say that it could be...

[bbbbmw]

Originally Posted by Chez

The problem with immigration is that they make it too hard to do it legally.

Trust me, I know a little about this subject having done it the correct way.

Make it too hard to do legally?? Why should it be easy?

[Chez]

Originally Posted by bbbbmw

Make it too hard to do legally?? Why should it be easy?

Why should it not? We share this planet with everyone else on it.

As long as somebody wants to work/pay their dues, contribute to society and fit into the culture of the place they want to live, why should they not be allowed to?

[UglyBuzzard]

Originally Posted by Chez

The problem with immigration is that they make it too hard to do it legally.

Trust me, I know a little about this subject having done it the correct way.

Too hard? Good! I want the folks that put the effort in for a tough process to enter legally and be productive in my country. We are a debtor nation and illegals drain the system and potentially pose great risk to our safety.

The time for the Kumbaya and socialist mentality has passed my friend. The world is not a nice place right now and we have to look out for our own for a while.

[Chez]

Originally Posted by UglyBuzzard

Too hard? Good! I want the folks that put the effort in for a tough process to enter legally and be productive in my country. We are a debtor nation and illegals drain the system and potentially pose great risk to our safety.

The time for the Kumbaya and socialist mentality has passed my friend. The world is not a nice place right now and we have to look out for our own for a while.

You miss the obvious point. If it was made easier for the people who legitimately want to move here and contribute, we would also have the ability to ensure they are paying their taxes etc, as they would be documented.

I'm not suggesting opening the border to anyone and everyone with no checks, but the process is antiquated, expensive, long and overly arduous for those who have legitimate reason and are willing to become a contributing member of society and would be proud to call the USA their home.

[gonzo]

Originally Posted by UglyBuzzard

Too hard? Good! I want the folks that put the effort in for a tough process to enter legally and be productive in my country. We are a debtor nation and illegals drain the system and potentially pose great risk to our safety.

The time for the Kumbaya and socialist mentality has passed my friend. The world is not a nice place right now and we have to look out for our own for a while.

Kumbaya lol.

The opposite of gum drops and ponies is a sledge hammer.
We need the latter.