[Sara]

Originally Posted by rambino

sure she can be where she wants, but street race watching with your baby at 3:40am is bad parenting, just like everone who sees your a girl with a picture of a puzzy in lingere in your avatar will automatically assume your a slut.. its common sense

And what have you got to say about everyone else with a sexual avatar? Are they a perv?

[Sara]

Originally Posted by grumpybear

first of all why would you slow down? It was white smoke and probably looked like a patch of fog which BTW few people slow down for. Who is going to think that there are going to be people standing in the middle of the highway at 3 in the morning?

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I dont know about your dumbass but I slow down when there's fog and according to statistics Im correct

"Driving in foggy conditions can potentially be very dangerous, and so it is imperative that you take great caution
According to statistics it is the most dangerous driving hazard in existence"

[Park2670]

The thing I don't understand is how somebody can hit a bunch of people and they still blame somebody else. Its the racers fault there was smoke sure. But blame them for deaths when they weren't even near it!? No way

Ok so we all get it, street racing is bad. Tell me where to go. If I want to race, I have to drive 45 minutes to the track. Wait for at least 6 hours. Then Wait in the pits for another 2 to 4 hours. I may get in 3 or 4 runs by 4 am. Sounds like a great time to me. : If they want to get rid of street racing, stop taking away all our tracks! Make them easily accesssible! I don't want to wait for 10 hours to get 2 runs in.


Don't call somebody a slut because of their avatar. You NEVER judge a book by its cover

[Hawkeye]

Originally Posted by Sara504

And what have you got to say about everyone else with a sexual avatar? Are they a perv?

Yes.

Originally Posted by Sara504

I dont know about your dumbass but I slow down when there's fog and according to statistics Im correct

"Driving in foggy conditions can potentially be very dangerous, and so it is imperative that you take great caution
According to statistics it is the most dangerous driving hazard in existence"

I don't know where you made up, I mean got, this statistic but it is most definately wrong.

edit: let me guess... a BLOG?!?
http://drivingtips4u.blogspot.com/20...riving-in.html

Please get a better source before posting somthing stupid like this.

[Park2670]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye

Yes.

Maybe you should reply to all of them then.

Originally Posted by hawkeye

I don't know where you made up, I mean got, this statistic but it is most definately wrong

Google. Look it up

[Hawkeye]

Originally Posted by Park2670

Maybe you should reply to all of them then.



Google. Look it up

I did not reply in the first place, I was just answering her question.

I did look it up and I found one blog that siad it was fog. Can you find a better source?

I am quite sure that snow/ice is a much more dangerous hazard.

[Hawkeye]

Here is what some real statistics look like.

DRIVING BEHAVIORS REPORTED FOR DRIVERS AND MOTORCYCLE OPERATORS
INVOLVED IN FATAL CRASHES, 2006 (1)


Behavior - Number - Percent
Failure to keep in proper lane or running off road - 16,470 - 28.5%
Driving too fast for conditions or in excess of posted speed limit or racing - 12,262 - 21.3
Under the influence of alcohol, drugs, or medication - 7,349 - 12.7
Inattentive (talking, eating, etc.) - 4,560 - 7.9
Failure to yield right of way - 4,238 - 7.3
Overcorrecting/oversteering - 2,450 - 4.2
Failure to obey traffic signs, signals, or officer - 2,408 - 4.2
Swerving or avoiding due to wind, slippery surface, other vehicle, object, nonmotorist on roadway , etc. - 2,162 - 3.7
Operating vehicle in erratic, reckless, careless or negligent manner - 2,086 - 3.6
Vision obscured (rain, snow, glare, lights, building, trees, etc.) - 1,545 - 2.7

found at the all reliable Insurance Information Institute
http://www.iii.org/media/facts/statsbyissue/highway/

[Taittinger]

If vision is obscured then people should not be driving at full speed. They should slow. So likely they were going too fast for the conditions.

And fog is responsible for some of the worst multi-vehicle accidents. Many of the most notable involving the greatest number of vehicles have been caused by fog.

[Hawkeye]

Originally Posted by Taittinger

If vision is obscured then people should not be driving at full speed. They should slow. So likely they were going too fast for the conditions.

And fog is responsible for some of the worst multi-vehicle accidents. Many of the most notable involving the greatest number of vehicles have been caused by fog.

I have never seen one. Where are you seeing this. The greatest number of vehicles in an accident I have seen was caused by ice. Over 100 cars down south where they don't get that very often. I have seen a lot of these.

Not to argue with you as I am sure fog creates a good cause of an accident. I am just saying it is far from the number one cause.

I travel full speed through fog on the highway here. The only thing I am expecting to hit is a deer, which can happen in perfect visibility as well.

[Taittinger]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye

I travel full speed through fog on the highway here. The only thing I am expecting to hit is a deer, which can happen in perfect visibility as well.

Not stating that fog is number one but that it is dangerous. And I am sure the people on ice also say the same about driving full speed. Besides, you live in Iowa. What is there in Iowa? Fog is more of a year round risk than snow or ice for much of the US.

[Hawkeye]

What do you mean what is there in Iowa. There is everything that is in NJ plus some. I agree that it is not only seasonal but also topical, yet it still creates more and worse wrecks than fog.

My point I guess, besides being argumentative, is that the people standing on the highway were at 100% fault. If you want to watch a street race good, at least block the highway with something, or a warning flare so you are safe.

[Taittinger]

From Wiki re multi-car pileups, check out how many due to fog versus other weather events. People know to slow on snow and ice but idiots just zoom along in fog.

11 December 1990: Interstate 75 in Calhoun, Tennessee, United States, between Chattanooga and Knoxville near the Hiwassee River, due to frequent fog; involved 99 vehicles. A fog warning system has since been installed, and the highway patrol enforces speed limits aggressively. [1]
October 1991: A15 Motorway near Ochten, Netherlands, due to fog, 150 vehicles, 1 death, 64 injuries.[2]
2 December 1994: Interstate 35 in San Antonio, Texas, United States, 127 car pile-up caused by blinding glare and rain-slicked roads, 67 injuries.[3]
20 March 1995: Jubilee Parkway in Mobile, Alabama, United States, due to fog, 200 vehicles, 1 death, 90 injuries.[4]
10 March 1997: M42 motorway in the United Kingdom, due to fog - 160 vehicles involved, 3 deaths, 60 injuries. [5][6]
31 December 1988: 100 cars crashed on an ice-slicked section of Interstate-75 in central Michigan, killing one and injuring 39.[7]
3 September 1999: Highway 401 in Essex County, Ontario, Canada, just east of Windsor. Very dense fog and tailgating causes an 87-vehicle pile-up, killing 8, and injuring 33 more. [8][9]
February 2001: Interstate 95 in Stafford County, Virginia, United States, 131 vehicles plus two others nearby totaling 80 more, due to a snowstorm whiteout.[10]
March 2002: Interstate 75 in Catoosa County, Georgia, United States, due to one-time sudden fog, about 125 vehicles [11]
12 January 2005: Interstate 96 in Ingham County, Michigan, United States, around 200 vehicles, due to dense fog leaving 2 dead and 35 injured.[12][13]
17 March 2005: near Helsinki, Finland, around 300 cars crashed on highways leading to the capital, 3 deaths and 60 injuries. Visibility was very poor due to heavy snowfall and a week of clear weather had given drivers a false impression of safety.[14]
5 November 2007: Highway 99 south of Fresno, California, United States, due to the tule fog that occurs frequently in fall and winter; involved more than 100 vehicles, killed at least 2 and injured dozens of others.[15]
9 January 2008: Four people were killed and as many as 38 injured early Wednesday in a major pileup on Interstate 4 in north central Florida involving 70 vehicles, as fog mixed with smoke from a controlled fire that reached out-of-control proportions combined to make it almost impossible for motorists to see.[16]
20 January 2008: More than 100 vehicles crashed into each other on Sunday on Highway 400 near Toronto due to bad weather conditions. [17]

[Taittinger]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye

My point I guess, besides being argumentative, is that the people standing on the highway were at 100% fault. If you want to watch a street race good, at least block the highway with something, or a warning flare so you are safe.

Well, yes, standing in the middle of a highway is usually thought of as a means to suicide.

[Hawkeye]

Okay, I guess it does create pile-ups. I had just never heard of any on the news happening because of fog.

[m0n0x!de]

Sad!

[SoYank]

Originally Posted by Taittinger

If vision is obscured then people should not be driving at full speed. They should slow. So likely they were going too fast for the conditions.

And fog is responsible for some of the worst multi-vehicle accidents. Many of the most notable involving the greatest number of vehicles have been caused by fog.

I can agree 100% with your first two sentences. The third I'm having trouble fully accepting in the context of the accident under discussion. If you're driving along on a clear night in winter and suddenly in your headlights you see "fog", what's your first reaction? I bet it isn't to slam on the brakes. Maybe the driver was slowing down upon seeing the "fogbank". He may not have had time to react. Neither of us know what that driver was doing. I'm pretty certain, though, the last thing on his mind was an encounter with a flock of fools in the roadway.

You can't blame fog for pileups, minor or catastrophic, any more than you can the night; it holds no responsibility. The cause is solely the utter stupidity of a large number of drivers or, as in this case, pedestrians. In all pileups I can recall on the news, none have occurred on the edge of the fogbank but well into it and the drivers involved never reduced their speeds. Alas, the initial impact is usually by an idiot smashing into the back of someone who has slowed.

Some pretty massive pileups have occurred in sandstorms, as well as smoke from forest fires. In fact, a search I just did revealed that the worst pile-up in the U.S. may be the 164 car crash on I-5 in California in November 1991 during a dust storm.

[Taittinger]

Originally Posted by SoYank

I can agree 100% with your first two sentences. The third I'm having trouble fully accepting in the context of the accident under discussion. If you're driving along on a clear night in winter and suddenly in your headlights you see "fog", what's your first reaction? I bet it isn't to slam on the brakes. Maybe the driver was slowing down upon seeing the "fogbank". He may not have had time to react. Neither of us know what that driver was doing. I'm pretty certain, though, the last thing on his mind was an encounter with a flock of fools in the roadway.

You can't blame fog for pileups, minor or catastrophic, any more than you can the night; it holds no responsibility. The cause is solely the utter stupidity of a large number of drivers or, as in this case, pedestrians. In all pileups I can recall on the news, none have occurred on the edge of the fogbank but well into it and the drivers involved never reduced their speeds. Alas, the initial impact is usually by an idiot smashing into the back of someone who has slowed.

Some pretty massive pileups have occurred in sandstorms, as well as smoke from forest fires. In fact, a search I just did revealed that the worst pile-up in the U.S. may be the 164 car crash on I-5 in California in November 1991 during a dust storm.

I was using "cause" in the loosest sense. I agree that drivers are responsible and stated as much elsewhere.

[grumpybear]

Originally Posted by Hawkeye

Yes.



I don't know where you made up, I mean got, this statistic but it is most definately wrong.

edit: let me guess... a BLOG?!?
http://drivingtips4u.blogspot.com/20...riving-in.html

Please get a better source before posting somthing stupid like this.

everyone knows that blogs are internet car forums are the best sources for accurate information out there.

[MadDog]

Originally Posted by Sara504

And what have you got to say about everyone else with a sexual avatar? Are they a perv?

Ahhhhh, more time. Just had a big lunch, so I don't know how much I can eat.....

[Park2670]

Originally Posted by MadDog

Ahhhhh, more time. Just had a big lunch, so I don't know how much I can eat.....

You eat large large quantities of popcorn!!!

[MadDog]

Originally Posted by Park2670

You eat large large quantities of popcorn!!!

Probably better than getting in some of the discussions on this forum.

[grumpybear]

Originally Posted by Sara504

I dont know about your dumbass but I slow down when there's fog and according to statistics Im correct

"Driving in foggy conditions can potentially be very dangerous, and so it is imperative that you take great caution
According to statistics it is the most dangerous driving hazard in existence"

I can show you statistics that it's better to kill yourself at an early age then deal with adult issues later in life but that doesn't mean it's the right action to take....