[TXSTYLE]

Originally Posted by KingOfJericho

I don't agree with the behavior but I agree that it's not at all uncommon.

Absolutely it is happening FAR too often and at many companies. One would think that a juggernaut of revenue (tops in the world in fact) would be a tad more sensitive and respectful to the very people who contribute in making these BILLIONS in profit!

I'm not a fan of Apple per say, but I did think they had a much better culture than this to it's employees.

[BayMoWe335]

Originally Posted by TXSTYLE

What is funny yet troubling, are some of the comments here in agreement or acceptance of this pitiful behavior on any level. Be it Small Business or Corporate.
Just because you happen to work for a Fortune 500 Co (woop te doo) what gives them (management, executive mgt, or other) right to verbally, socially, emotionally ABUSE it's employees/staff? That is some foul shit... Period. But the fact that some "accept it as normal" is just as troubling. If enough workers shed light and refused to be door mats for these companies, there would be change or they simply would not have "quality, qualified, productive employees" willing to stick around and take that abuse. I mean, there is NOTHING in this world more valuable and precious than TIME and FAMILY. At least not for me. If a workplace refuses to respect those very 'basic life values' then I don't want to have shit to do with them. No matter how much they compensate me. Which leads to another issue with society... Believing $$$ is the "Be All and End All". Sad existence if you ask me. But then again, I'm mid 40s and a family man. But even if I wasn't, my character refuses to be a 'slave to any company' that under values or even abuses me. Oh yeah... I've had my stint with the Chase's, Wells Fargo's, AT&T, and BofA's of the world. Sitting in on meetings, hearing profanity laced rants and empty praises heaped all around. I've walked out on plenty and finally realized I had to do my own shit because at the end of the day... You are simply a 'number' to these vampires. And if I didn't have the integrity, drive, and determination to go into business for myself nearly a decade ago now, I sure as hell wouldn't be working for some shysters like these guys. Fuk that.

I never said it's justified, good, or acceptable. I said it wasn't uncommon.

I then went on to say that you have to stand up for yourself because in the real world, big business doesn't give a shit about you or your family. It's up to the employee to make management show respect and choose your spots. There are a lot of advantages to working in the big business world, but you have to manage your manager.

You can "woop te doo" it all you want. I'm not saying it's the lottery, but there is more respect for working for a company that makes real things, solves real problems, and delivers results to shareholders versus working at some shithole place for peanuts. Don't get me wrong, some small companies are great, but I'd have pride working at Apple. It's a great company.

[BayMoWe335]

Originally Posted by TXSTYLE

Absolutely it is happening FAR too often and at many companies. One would think that a juggernaut of revenue (tops in the world in fact) would be a tad more sensitive and respectful to the very people who contribute in making these BILLIONS in profit!

I'm not a fan of Apple per say, but I did think they had a much better culture than this to it's employees.

Remember, this is ONE person's anecdotal story on his FORMER company. It can be taken with a grain of salt. I know 3 people who work at Apple and they say it's great pay, great culture, and a lot of satisfaction. Also anecdotal, but one story doesn't mean the "culture" is bad. Obviously, Apple gets top talent and maintains it to be the best in the world.

All work has shit aspects to it and it's no uncommon to complain about the very things this guy said. That doesn't mean it's all bad.

[NickyC]

Originally Posted by TXSTYLE

Absolutely it is happening FAR too often and at many companies. One would think that a juggernaut of revenue (tops in the world in fact) would be a tad more sensitive and respectful to the very people who contribute in making these BILLIONS in profit!

I'm not a fan of Apple per say, but I did think they had a much better culture than this to it's employees.

I agree completely, but this is what happens when you have multitudes of people who could fill a job. Employers are holding all the cards, they can treat their employees as poorly as they wish.

This is why wages won't increase in this country. There are too many people, not enough jobs, and the advent of robots/technology is only going to make that gap wider. You either suck it up, shop at the company store, or go on some sort of welfare with the other record number of Americans sucking on that tit.

Enjoy Amerika.

[Mr Tonka]

Originally Posted by TXSTYLE

What is funny yet troubling, are some of the comments here in agreement or acceptance of this pitiful behavior on any level. Be it Small Business or Corporate.
Just because you happen to work for a Fortune 500 Co (woop te doo) what gives them (management, executive mgt, or other) right to verbally, socially, emotionally ABUSE it's employees/staff? That is some foul shit... Period. But the fact that some "accept it as normal" is just as troubling. If enough workers shed light and refused to be door mats for these companies, there would be change or they simply would not have "quality, qualified, productive employees" willing to stick around and take that abuse. I mean, there is NOTHING in this world more valuable and precious than TIME and FAMILY. At least not for me. If a workplace refuses to respect those very 'basic life values' then I don't want to have shit to do with them. No matter how much they compensate me. Which leads to another issue with society... Believing $$$ is the "Be All and End All". Sad existence if you ask me. But then again, I'm mid 40s and a family man. But even if I wasn't, my character refuses to be a 'slave to any company' that under values or even abuses me. Oh yeah... I've had my stint with the Chase's, Wells Fargo's, AT&T, and BofA's of the world. Sitting in on meetings, hearing profanity laced rants and empty praises heaped all around. I've walked out on plenty and finally realized I had to do my own shit because at the end of the day... You are simply a 'number' to these vampires. And if I didn't have the integrity, drive, and determination to go into business for myself nearly a decade ago now, I sure as hell wouldn't be working for some shysters like these guys. Fuk that.

Makes a profanity laced rant to bitch about profanity laced rants.

Seriously though, no one is holding any gun to the employees of apple, chase, WF, etc... Ipso facto, all the employees of those companies must accept it as normal, no? if it were that important to them, they would leave and apple would have to change it's culture. But they don't, and they won't because the line to work at apple is quite long indeed.

I thought it was widely known that the internal culture at apple sucked donkey balls. I don't know a single person who's worked there, at any level, who loved their time there.

[MrPrena]

When I was working with competitor of Apple (and also a partner), Apple was probably one of the worst company you can get into.

The guy who wrote that was NICE.

[gtron]

i wish some of Apple's slaves could write blogs about what it's like building apple products. should i have not said slaves? was that too harsh? i'm sorry. kind of.

[MrPrena]

Originally Posted by gtron

i wish some of Apple's slaves could write blogs about what it's like to building apple products. should i have not said slaves? was that too harsh? i'm sorry. kind of.

Not harsh at all.
It is their choice to work for brand name like AAPL, GS, JPM, etc. I was one of the dumb one during early-mid 20s to chase those "brand name" companies and got exploited by them.

As I transitioned to a much smaller companies, I had way more decision making roles, and my opinion mattered.

Most of the companies who are ahead tends to get their marginal prod of labor as efficient or push beyond the limit. That is how corporate have fairly decent earnings. Good for shareholders like me.

However, it is real b1tch to work for those companies.

During the bear market, I did some studies how companies (retail, to tech etc) tries to exploit their employees out of their breaks and lunch. Then when class action hits, they settle for lousy $1000. LOL

I know few med size retail companies which benefited off of exploiting the employees during 2008-2010, and settling it for about $1000 per class action participant. Corporate still went ahead after paying them off.

As being said, I would still work for those beat up companies in the 2008 as part time job to accumulate those cheap shares from tiny 401k+esop/espp.

[monkeybingo]

Originally Posted by gtron

i wish some of Apple's slaves could write blogs about what it's like to building apple products. should i have not said slaves? was that too harsh? i'm sorry. kind of.

Only Chinese people working in the manufacturing line are REAL slave. Especially for apple. Paying $5 a day with no overtime.

[AW335TT]

Not surprising at all, especially for a company the size of Apple. The higher up a position, the more it revolves around meetings. It's usually the bottom positions who actually do the work. The rest (managers, district managers, supervisors, executives, etc) just report to the person above them, about the person below them.

Banking is another good example.

Bankers and tellers produce, may have short 10 minute meetings before the branch opens to talk about goals.

Managers are constantly on conference calls and at meetings with the district manager, discussing the branch.

District managers are constantly in meetings with the market president, discussing what the manager said.

Market presidents are constantly in meetings with...

[M_Six]

Originally Posted by AW335TT

Not surprising at all, especially for a company the size of Apple. The higher up a position, the more it revolves around meetings. It's usually the bottom positions who actually do the work. The rest (managers, district managers, supervisors, executives, etc) just report to the person above them, about the person below them.

Banking is another good example.

Bankers and tellers produce, may have short 10 minute meetings before the branch opens to talk about goals.

Managers are constantly on conference calls and at meetings with the district manager, discussing the branch.

District managers are constantly in meetings with the market president, discussing what the manager said.

Market presidents are constantly in meetings with...

Which is why when the axe falls, it often clears out middle management.

[ASBSECU E93]

Develop a skill that is unique and highly desirable, make yourself indispensable...then the balance shifts slightly back to the employee...worked for me

[Nkc]

Originally Posted by monkeybingo

Only Chinese people working in the manufacturing line are REAL slave. Especially for apple. Paying $5 a day with no overtime.

Actually quite far from the truth but I'm not here to defend apple.

[jlstyle]

Everywhere I've worked in my field was the same. He needs to grow up and accept it.

[AW335TT]

Originally Posted by M_Six

Which is why when the axe falls, it often clears out middle management.

Haven't had to much experience with situations like that. The 3 years I was at Wells Fargo, management was usually well protected. They would just move around (different branch/district). Bankers and Tellers were very disposable.

[M_Six]

Originally Posted by AW335TT

Haven't had to much experience with situations like that. The 3 years I was at Wells Fargo, management was usually well protected. They would just move around (different branch/district). Bankers and Tellers were very disposable.

I know of an insurance company that once cleared out their mail room staff. Then they had much higher paid claims adjusters sorting and delivering mail. Not too bright. Someone has to do the hands-on stuff. Work the trenches, so to speak.

[TXSTYLE]

Originally Posted by jlstyle

Everywhere I've worked in my field was the same. He needs to grow up and accept it.

Or not.

[P1]

I worked for Oracle for a bit. You think Apple is awful? Think again.

[fecurtis]

I've known people who've worked for Apple who really enjoyed it. It's all in what you're doing, who you report to, and the environment of your specific team.

[MrPrena]

Oh snap! You worked for good old Larry?
I hope you weren't in sales for ORCL.
I don't know now, but I've heard that ORCL sales staff gets and pushes very hard. Good pay too.

Originally Posted by P1et

I worked for Oracle for a bit. You think Apple is awful? Think again.

[P1]

Originally Posted by MrPrena

Oh snap! You worked for good old Larry?
I hope you weren't in sales for ORCL.
I don't know now, but I've heard that ORCL sales staff gets and pushes very hard. Good pay too.

I was in sales, and yes you get pushed extremely hard. Sure, the pay is good but I didn't find it to be worth it, whatsoever. Their culture is the worst.

[SunnyD]

Originally Posted by monkeybingo

Only Chinese people working in the manufacturing line are REAL slave. Especially for apple. Paying $5 a day with no overtime.

Care to chime in and tell us what the average wage is in China for this type of labor and how comparatively underpaid those Foxconn employees are?

Are you also the type to argue that McDonalds and WalMart employees should be getting paid $20/hour for what they do?