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I liked your post Efthreeoh, because it's so predictable, and so your MO. Follow me for a bit:
Which ones and how? I don't see that. Specifically where did I claim that and what was I referring to? Quote:
This is either another strawman argument, or you are being purposefully vague to mislead people into thinking you have a valid point. This lack of transparency makes your argument appear stronger than it is, and the echo chamber loves it, since it doesn't matter how nonsensical the argument is, just that it supports the bias. This is a common tactic in debate and especially in this thread. This is part of the reason I constantly have to quote entire discussions. It's an effective way to maintain a clear picture so that others cannot use confusion to make weak arguments. Additionally, this tactic you used is an attempt at evading counterarguments, likely because you are concealing a weakness in your argument by changing the subject. This is a TEXTBOOK example, as evident of your reply that is literally making a hard right from the dangers of the EV from runaway scenarios to the inconvenience of charging: Quote:
Here was attempt #1: Quote:
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It's so transparent, it's almost insulting people's intelligence. This is a circus.
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Rope swinging is more entertaining without it. Mate.
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These unsubstantiated assumptions are referring to you and M5Rick' statements which are quoted in in that post. I apologize if that was unintentionally unclear.
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This statement doesn't show how this relates to the EV being related to this problem. Quote:
Your reply was a chaotic jumble of disconnected thoughts masquerading as logic. "Proof" of their flaw is as obvious as a train wreck. The disjointed mess of an argument is a dirty street drug for the echo chamber junkies, providing a cheap high that leaves it's users addicted to ignorance.
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This is where predisposed bias is an obstacle to critical thinking. Tunnel vision causes the echo chamber to jump to that conclusion that the key difference between two systems is the logical point of failure. This is a myopic oversimplification, and this reductionist perspective ignores obvious facets of the failure in favor of those that support the bias. Here is a hypothetical and it should go without saying that I am in no way shape or form saying this is what actually happened, because I know someone will say something glib like "How do you know the EV had a bad seal, it could have been the software!". This is just an example, echo chamber, of how you cannot assume that the key difference between two systems is the cause of failure. I know I'm going to hear it, because you guys like to troll, but here is the hypothetical anyway: An EV is equipped with a brake caliper with a defect: The master cylinder seal leaks brake fluid. This EV car is driven by a customer and they experiences brake failure due to this bad seal. The anti-EV echo chamber at bimmerpost blames the regenerative braking system because that is the key difference between the ICE and EV braking system. It really is that simple.
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Picked up an iX a couple weeks ago. 2 years free charging from BMW, $10k rebate, gave me $5k on my M340i ($40k total for those who clowned on me for trying to sell it for $38k), $4k out of pocket and I'm paying less on the iX than the M340i... faster than the M340i as well
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I used the term downstream in terms of input and control meaning regen does not have an input between the driver's brake pedal, and the engagement of the brakes themselves. Like you, I'm no expert, but that is my limited understanding. Due to this, admittedly, the regen system interfering with the brakes is not entirely impossible. Regardless, objectivity requires that we consider the hydraulic mechanical brakes themselves. Given that the brakes on the MG ZS EV are also allegedly mechanical (according to that forum I linked to earlier), and that mechanical brakes do fail on ICE vehicles as well, then one cannot say that this runaway scenario was definitely caused by the fact that it was an EV since the mechanical brakes themselves have not yet been ruled out. Quote:
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You have either misinterpreted my words through error, or are misrepresenting my words purposefully to create confusion. If it's the latter, it's a dishonest tactic that displays a complete disregard for logic, reason and integrity. This isn't the first time you've used a strawman argument and, frankly, it's lazy and disappointing. Once again, I have to quote myself to prove your strawman argument, which you so cleverly mocked me for: If quoting myself bothers you so much, then cease to use such infantile tactics.
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'Bargain' EV's from China are reportedly under investigation by the present Brussels control.
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The demand is cratering
https://www.thesun.co.uk/motors/2427...roduction-evs/ BBC News - Electric car sales to private buyers fall sharply https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-67017972 The Society of Motor Manufacturers and Traders said sales to private buyers fell by 14%, but overall registrations of electric cars rose almost 19%.The growth was entirely driven by company fleet buyers. |
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You stating that this "is what I've been saying all along." doesn't provide new information, it doesn't support your argument, and it conveniently avoids addressing the point I just made in that quote. Once again you are using a strawman tactic to distract from your lack of counterargument.
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Here is my reply to you on 10/06/2023 at 17:02PM Quote:
Again, it's hypocritical to admonish me for personal attacks while allowing Efthreeoh to do the same simply because he shares your opinion: 10/03/2023: This was made a few hours after Efthreeoh deleted another personal attack. This post was made after his "mandate" campaign fell apart, conveniently never to be addressed again. Once again lowering himself to infantile attacks because they couldn't come up with a valid counter argument. Very consistent. That's your decision to block me, but that exasperates the problems associated with echo chambers. It's disturbing how quickly individuals retreat to ideological cocoons the moment low effort back-patting is interrupted by diverse ideas that challenge preconceived bias. Here is your echo chamber colleague, your ideological peer, posting childish nonsense: This is a grown adult, mind you, encouraged with "likes" to act childish. They have demeaned themselves to a new low standard... and you are proud of this?
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Maybe I'm remembering this wrong, but from a previous conversation, you gave me the impression that you were a bit older than I am given that you had an electric car in the 1970's or something like that. Now I'm confused.
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