[UncleWede]

Originally Posted by ramman434

Are we all ever "safe"?

Haha yeah I'm good. Had a busy week this week, so less time playing on the internet during work time.

Boss just let me know that he & his brother may be stepping down from the company at end of year, and his nephew may be taking over, who will make changes, and I could be out of a job (small family owned business).
So looks like I may be going full-time on the real estate sooner than expected, even though I've been licensed a couple of years.

You outta state guys/girls want a vacation home in Fort Lauderdale, hit me up...so i can afford to modify my BMW lol

I apologize, my age must be showing. For some reason I thought you wore a badge.

[ramman434]

Originally Posted by UncleWede

I apologize, my age must be showing. For some reason I thought you wore a badge.

Hahaha no. I definitely don't deserve that kind of respect. Either way, I appreciate the concern

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by ramman434

I appreciate it everyone lol. I'll be fine if it comes down to it. I've been planning to go full-time within the next 1.5 yrs, so this just moves up the timeline for me.

If ya'll know anyone looking to get sweaty & doesn't mind yankees, hit me up w/their contact info, and I'll get them taken care of.

Since we're supposed to ask cops stuff: Sedan_Clan & Murf993 , ya'll want to look at some vacay spots in S. FL? Come on Murf, there are tons of Canadian snowbirds here

Florida seems to be the destination of choice because of DeSantis. A lot of my friends and colleagues are vacationing there or planning to relocate.

[upstatedoc]

Are you guys trained in the paranormal or at least even debriefed and such things? Have you ever seen anything that you couldn't explain?

Edit: spooky post

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by upstatedoc

Are you guys trained in the paranormal or at least even debriefed and such things? Have you ever seen anything that you couldn't explain?

Edit: spooky post

Not on the job, but in life I have. I definitely have had enough paranormal experiences in life to not have any doubts about the other side of death (…e.g…the existence of spirits/ghosts, good & bad, etc.).

[Littlebear]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Florida seems to be the destination of choice because of DeSantis. A lot of my friends and colleagues are vacationing there or planning to relocate.

:bulg e:

[Littlebear]

"But after the toll of the past year, the preliminary numbers have offered reason for optimism.

“In April and May, all indications were that where we were headed was even worse than most of last year,” said Marcos Gonzalez Soler, who heads the mayor’s office of criminal justice. “I think that is a very different universe from where we are now.”"

https://www.nytimes.com/2021/08/24/n...sultPosition=1

[Sedan_Clan]

Another DUI-marijuana arrest. A 19 year old female killed someone last night (…driving 2 hours after smoking, lost control and drove the car up a two-tier vehicle loader/transport rig; car rolled and killed one of the workers loading a vehicle). I did the DUI and she blew a .00 as expected. My DRE evaluation revealed she was high on marijuana. She's now being charged with 191.5 PC and 23153(f) CVC. Her life is over for the foreseeable future…….but at least she's alive, unlike the victim.

[shoei]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Another DUI-marijuana arrest. A 19 year old female killed someone last night (…driving 2 hours after smoking, lost control and drove the car up a two-tier vehicle loader/transport rig; car rolled and killed one of the workers loading a vehicle). I did the DUI and she blew a .00 as expected. My DRE evaluation revealed she was high on marijuana. She's now being charged with 191.5 PC and 23153(f) CVC. Her life is over for the foreseeable future…….but at least she's alive, unlike the victim.

Man that's terrible to hear. How the fuck you miss an entire transport truck.

What's a DRE evaluation out of curiousity?

Also, that time frame doesn't sound right. The effects of weed won't carry on for two hours. Even an edible will kick in within 45-1:15, but the effects aren't long lasting either. So she either smoked very recently or smoked something else with the weed.

And 191.5 - that the difficult one to stick in court? The knowingly did it one?

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by shoei

Man that's terrible to hear. How the fuck you miss an entire transport truck.

What's a DRE evaluation out of curiousity?

Also, that time frame doesn't sound right. The effects of weed won't carry on for two hours. Even an edible will kick in within 45-1:15, but the effects aren't long lasting either. So she either smoked very recently or smoked something else with the weed.

And 191.5 - that the difficult one to stick in court? The knowingly did it one?

There are a lot of misconceptions about the onset and duration of the effects of weed. The effects of marijuana last far longer than "your" perception of the effects. Impairment can last up to 24 hours without your awareness (…impaired short term memory, impaired reaction time, issues with depth perception and peripheral vision, etc.).

The affirmative knowledge aspect of Penal Code 191.5 is relevant and passes muster in court because we've all been taught directly or indirectly that doing drugs and driving is bad. We treat it the same as a Watson murder charge for a DUI-alcohol.

[Sedan_Clan]

In addition, there have been a significant amount of studies as it relates to marijuana use and the operation of vehicles. One notable study was the one conducted by the NHTSA that surveyed seasoned pilots' ability to land a plane after smoking marijuana. Every one of them failed the simulators that they would otherwise have passed.

DUI-marijuana cases have been successfully tried in court and with marijuana so prevalent, it's one of the more common DUI offenses next to alcohol (…and it's not uncommon to have a combination of both or some poly drug/poly category use).

[shoei]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

In addition, there have been a significant amount of studies as it relates to marijuana use and the operation of vehicles. One notable study was the one conducted by the NHTSA that surveyed seasoned pilots' ability to land a plane after smoking marijuana. Every one of them failed the simulators that they would otherwise have passed.

Oh don't get me wrong, I ain't saying go drive while high, lol. Quite the contrary, stay the fuck away from heavy machinery lol.

[Fly320s]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

In addition, there have been a significant amount of studies as it relates to marijuana use and the operation of vehicles. One notable study was the one conducted by the NHTSA that surveyed seasoned pilots' ability to land a plane after smoking marijuana. Every one of them failed the simulators that they would otherwise have passed..

Let me know when that study needs fresh meat.... for a friend.

[TrevorM3]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Another DUI-marijuana arrest. A 19 year old female killed someone last night (…driving 2 hours after smoking, lost control and drove the car up a two-tier vehicle loader/transport rig; car rolled and killed one of the workers loading a vehicle). I did the DUI and she blew a .00 as expected. My DRE evaluation revealed she was high on marijuana. She's now being charged with 191.5 PC and 23153(f) CVC. Her life is over for the foreseeable future…….but at least she's alive, unlike the victim.

hope they throw the book at her. fucking idiot

[jamesinaz]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Another DUI-marijuana arrest. A 19 year old female killed someone last night (…driving 2 hours after smoking, lost control and drove the car up a two-tier vehicle loader/transport rig; car rolled and killed one of the workers loading a vehicle). I did the DUI and she blew a .00 as expected. My DRE evaluation revealed she was high on marijuana. She's now being charged with 191.5 PC and 23153(f) CVC. Her life is over for the foreseeable future…….but at least she's alive, unlike the victim.

Very sad. Victim and family life altering and for the driver. I am for legalized marijuana. I am also for strict enforcement of impaired driving laws. Question I have is how does one detect if someone is high? Is there a blood test? Any physical evidence that defines how recently or much someone has consumed?

I have "heard" (ain't the internet wonderful) that there are tests that can determine consumption as much as 2 weeks later. Or hair follicle tests longer than that. But is there some way to KNOW she had X amount within Y time frame? Seems like a legal mine field that science needs to find an answer for.

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by jamesinaz

Very sad. Victim and family life altering and for the driver. I am for legalized marijuana. I am also for strict enforcement of impaired driving laws. Question I have is how does one detect if someone is high? Is there a blood test? Any physical evidence that defines how recently or much someone has consumed?

I have "heard" (ain't the internet wonderful) that there are tests that can determine consumption as much as 2 weeks later. Or hair follicle tests longer than that. But is there some way to KNOW she had X amount within Y time frame? Seems like a legal mine field that science needs to find an answer for.

Impairment comes with the high. That's how we determine whether the use was recent (…all drugs have an onset and duration period). Marijuana, for example, is lipophilic, so it remains present in the body for a long time. We get blood during the arrest, so the toxicological results corroborate the impairment we observe(d) in the field.

[Littlebear]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Impairment comes with the high. That's how we determine whether the use was recent (…all drugs have an onset and duration period). Marijuana, for example, is lipophilic, so it remains present in the body for a long time. We get blood during the arrest, so the toxicological results corroborate the impairment we observe(d) in the field.

So what happens when a cop "observes" & reports impairment, but the results comes back negative?
What protects the driver from an impairment charge made, when positive lab results could be from toking long ago enough that the person isn't really driving impaired (a day ago, week,...)?

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Littlebear

So what happens when a cop "observes" & reports impairment, but the results comes back negative?
What protects the driver from an impairment charge made, when positive lab results could be from toking long ago enough that the person isn't really driving impaired (a day ago, week,...)?

If the toxicological results don't corroborate the observed impairment (…which I've NEVER seen happen; medical rule out is part of the process), then the person simply wouldn't get the DUI charge…..but that doesn't mean they won't be charged with something else. If the use wasn't recent, there wouldn't be any impairment. Get it?!?? Every drug has a duration period.

[shoei]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

If the toxicological results don't corroborate the observed impairment (…which I've NEVER seen happen; medical rule out is part of the process), then the person simply wouldn't get the DUI charge…..but that doesn't mean they won't be charged with something else. If the use wasn't recent, there wouldn't be any impairment. Get it?!?? Every drug has a duration period.

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[Littlebear]

Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

.... If the use wasn't recent, there wouldn't be any impairment. Get it?!?? Every drug has a duration period.

Cops make 'mistakes' too, for one reason or another.
If say, 50% of people have smoked within the last (fill in time period), like in CA, and will thus 'test' positive, where is the check on the police overuse of the charge, ie: harassment, if 'observed' behavior is the deciding factor?

[Sedan_Clan]

Originally Posted by Littlebear

Cops make 'mistakes' too, for one reason or another.
If say, 50% of people have smoked within the last (fill in time period), like in CA, and will thus 'test' positive, where is the check on the police overuse of the charge, ie: harassment, if 'observed' behavior is the deciding factor?

Testing positive isn't enough for a DUI. IMPAIRMENT must be proven. Just because you smoked marijuana Monday doesn't mean you are too impaired to drive Wednesday despite testing positive for the drug. You can't overuse a DUI charge. Either you are drunk and impaired or you're not. Either you're high and impaired or you're not. Toxicological evidence is always part & parcel to a DUI charge, so I'm not sure where you're going with this.

[shoei]

I mean, does this ever happen to you? Lol

"The look you get when you place your food order and recognize the cook from a stop."