[Socal_R8]

Originally Posted by N54Yankee

I might have some good news for you. Here’s a guy who a tad taller and heavier then you and did the test. Try one on for size when they come around by you.

Ha...cool find, that's the one I got to check out yesterday

[Kief]

Anyone in the Atlantic City NJ area, there was/is a reveal today and tomorrow

https://kerbeck.com/2020-corvette-reveal/

I'm seriously considering the C8, but I'm worried it may garner too much attention as a DD. Same thing happened with my previous two Jaguar F-Type Coupe Rs, and each time I came back to M3s. And I like to drive my cars year round in winter conditions. But for the price and performance of the C8, I may need to change my thinking and settle on a winter beater.

[N54Yankee]

Originally Posted by SoCal_NSX

Ha...cool find, that's the one I got to check out yesterday

Mentioned about a week ago, my buddy 6’ 4” 260lbs thereabouts fit pretty comfortably when driving my C6. So much so he offered to buy it.
Had a hunch the C8 might be an option for Vipper and found that vid.
Haven’t had the pleasure of seeing on yet live but talked to my local dealer the other day and being a Corvette owner in good standing there I’ll be doing a test drive. I’m chomping at the bit!

[King Rudi]

Originally Posted by SoCal_NSX

Here is one of my videos from yesterday

https://twitter.com/socalnsx/status/...358782976?s=21

And a better one from a yotuber

I have to say, I think GM did a great job on this. I really like the interior.

[Socal_R8]

Originally Posted by See5

So say you're at 3,600lbs for a C8 Z51.

The competition is coming in at:

Porsche 992 Carerra S/4S - 3400-3500lbs
Porsche 718S - 3100lbs
Mercedes GT AMG - 3800lbs
Audi R8 - 3700-3900lbs
Lamborghini Huracan -3450-3650lbs
Ferrari 488(on its way out) - 3400-3500lbs
Acura NSX - 3860lbs
McLaren 570S - 3200lbs
Jaguar F-Type R - 4000lbs

I think its pretty much spot on given its power, standard targa top, and additional storage over all of these cars outside of the Cayman.

Considering a Cayman S is $10k more base price and 150 less HP , it really isn't a fair comparison anyway

And I love the Cayman

[roastbeef]

was this at bob stall chevrolet in sd? a youtuber stated they are selling them at msrp, but there is a list.

[Mavus]

Originally Posted by Efthreeoh

When did vehicle stability, handling, steering, and braking become "reliability" issues? You make it sound like GM doesn't do any computer-aided engineering and testing. I'm sure GM did a shitload more "shakedown" then any of the car mags or internet video whores will ever do. Software and sensor integration... really?

The C7 had some minor heat issues, since corrected. The C7 base MSRP was $55K IIRC. How will the C8 be that much different? They moved the engine to the middle of the chassis, it's not that drastic of a redesign.

I kinda lumped it all together ... mainly cooling, brakes and xmsn.

The other topics are more in general to find out what the vehicle is capable of.

[ecaedus]

Originally Posted by SoCal_NSX

Considering a Cayman S is $10k more base price and 150 less HP , it really isn't a fair comparison anyway

And I love the Cayman

it'd be very interesting to see what the C8 will do to 718 sales. 911 owners may not be so willing to jump ship but all bets are off for 718 owners and potential buyers.

[Socal_R8]

Originally Posted by roastbeef

was this at bob stall chevrolet in sd? a youtuber stated they are selling them at msrp, but there is a list.

Paradise Chevrolet and Cadillac in Temecula

Sales guy there told me there was currently a $5000 ADM, but that will quickly disappear once others in the area are selling for sticker

[roastbeef]

this vette is really screwing up the balance of comparable cars. lol i would imagine new nsx sales will plummet through the floor as well.

[roastbeef]

Originally Posted by SoCal_NSX

Paradise Chevrolet and Cadillac in Temecula

Sales guy there told me there was currently a $5000 ADM, but that will quickly disappear once others in the area are selling for sticker

salesman is a little wishy washy when questioned on markup, but later states there will be no markup.

if this is the case, they'll probably have a few on the floor you can drive home today for $5k markup, but if you wait in line and order one, you can have it for msrp.

[The HACK]

I would never buy a first year GM product of any type. They’re notorious for using first adapters as beta testers. The first year 2014 C7s were chock full of bugs and problems and the 6 speed auto was quickly replaced with a even more problematic 8 speed auto.

Basically they use the first 12 month production to determine how much BS the customers will stand.

Plus if I were to sell the C7, I would only trade/sell it for a Grand Sport. So that’s at least 3-4 years away.

[alex2364]

Originally Posted by roastbeef

this vette is really screwing up the balance of comparable cars. lol i would imagine new nsx sales will plummet through the floor as well.

NSX sales are barely in the double digits (19 sold in June 2019) already. This includes the $20k incentive Acura has been running for years. I can't imagine how much lower it can go before Acura does something drastic. They need to simplify the powertrain and lower it to $100k.

[ShocknAwe]

I like it. I won't have one, it's gonna be a cop magnet, but I like it a lot.

[roastbeef]

Originally Posted by alex2364

NSX sales are barely in the double digits (19 sold in June 2019) already. This includes the $20k incentive Acura has been running for years. I can't imagine how much lower it can go before Acura does something drastic. They need to simplify the powertrain and lower it to $100k.

yep, they really airballed the nsx. performance is there, but nobody is excited about that car.
i've seen quite a few of them and i just sort of skip over them. nice cars, and i'm not sure what it is, but it is easy to walk past. it doesn't help that the price point is at a level where the car is competing with many other more exciting choices.

[RM7]

Originally Posted by SoCal_NSX

Haha... yeah, I think I’d be just fine with a z51 though


Interesting tidbit I forgot to mention about yesterday

The Chevy rep told me why the HP number was 495...
said it is much cheaper and easier to insure a car that has under 500 HP than one with over 500 HP.....brilliant marketing

I have a bridge to sell you. These days, engineering is pretty tightly controlled. I would not believe this unless reliable evidence proved it. BMWs making advertised "whp" is not exceeding the numbers, it's a way for them to be "stacked up" in tests against cars making less crank HP and always come out on top, which in of itself is pretty brilliant, but they aren't "exceeding" this. Very few times has this really been proven IME, lots of rumors, but unless testing is revealing figures that support the "much higher HP and TQ", it's just rumor.

[Humdizzle]

I'd have to weigh in what the NSX will appreciate to in a few years, and how much the corvette will go down. And if having a vette is worth that price differential. Test driving first might help your decision.

me personally i'd wait and see what the GS and z06 offer. Base C7's look so basic next to a z06 on the road.

[Humdizzle]

Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes

I have a bridge to sell you. These days, engineering is pretty tightly controlled. I would not believe this unless reliable evidence proved it. BMWs making advertised "whp" is not exceeding the numbers, it's a way for them to be "stacked up" in tests against cars making less crank HP and always come out on top, which in of itself is pretty brilliant, but they aren't "exceeding" this. Very few times has this really been proven IME, lots of rumors, but unless testing is revealing figures that support the "much higher HP and TQ", it's just rumor.

exactly. look how every was drinking dodges koolaid when the Demon was announced as being the fastest factory 1/4 mile car. when in reality teslas and mclarens destroy it every day. power is meaningless if you can't put it down

[Socal_R8]

Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes

I have a bridge to sell you. These days, engineering is pretty tightly controlled. I would not believe this unless reliable evidence proved it. BMWs making advertised "whp" is not exceeding the numbers, it's a way for them to be "stacked up" in tests against cars making less crank HP and always come out on top, which in of itself is pretty brilliant, but they aren't "exceeding" this. Very few times has this really been proven IME, lots of rumors, but unless testing is revealing figures that support the "much higher HP and TQ", it's just rumor.

Huh? I don’t think they’re lying about the HP... the point was they kept it under 500HP to make it easier for people to buy due to insurance... it makes sense as there are several articles and car forum post about the 500HP and insurance issues.

Here is just one of them.

http://www.insuranceqna.com/auto-insurance/criteria-for-sports-car-insurance-bracket.html

I don’t know if it was just BS but it makes sense from a business stand point for them to keep the base and z51 under 500 HP

[Rmtt]

Originally Posted by JamesNoBrakes

I have a bridge to sell you. These days, engineering is pretty tightly controlled. I would not believe this unless reliable evidence proved it. BMWs making advertised "whp" is not exceeding the numbers, it's a way for them to be "stacked up" in tests against cars making less crank HP and always come out on top, which in of itself is pretty brilliant, but they aren't "exceeding" this. Very few times has this really been proven IME, lots of rumors, but unless testing is revealing figures that support the "much higher HP and TQ", it's just rumor.

I remember being the first in my area with a Terminator. Car was "rated" or advertised at 390/390 crank.

Within a week I had it on a dyno before doing a pulley swap, and it put down something like 398/402 to the wheels bone stock. I think I still have old dyno sheets around here somewhere.

[Rmtt]

Originally Posted by Now_Rudi

RUR-al TN. Not a vehicle that I, myself, consider an exotic, but definitely an exotic in this "neck of the woods." If it isn't a lifted pick-up truck, an altima, camaro, mustang, mini-van or a saturn, people look at you like you're a rock star. The guys around here that drive corvette's act as if everyone should get down on their knees and kiss their ass because they drive one.......usually 10-15 miles under the speed limit I might add.

Same in my area. I see a lot of Hellcats, Camaro's, and Mustangs. But only occasionally do I see even a C7Z or a few Porsches. I have seen 1 R10, couple of R8's.....and only one Aston Martin DB series.

Everything else is trucks or lifted vehicles, and plenty of generic BMW'S since I live not that far away from the plant in SC.

Also I'm usually one of the guys you see driving around about 10mph under in my Corvette. They are "profiled" around here for some reason!

[Efthreeoh]

Originally Posted by roastbeef

yep, they really airballed the nsx. performance is there, but nobody is excited about that car.
i've seen quite a few of them and i just sort of skip over them. nice cars, and i'm not sure what it is, but it is easy to walk past. it doesn't help that the price point is at a level where the car is competing with many other more exciting choices.

I agree. Honda should have just developed a follow-on NSX not a uber-expensive hybrid chasing the i8, and others. I think automotive purists really just want a great engine with a manual transmission in a great chassis. Enviro-Statement cars just don't sell well to purists IMO.