[b4hand]

Originally Posted by jgoens

Talked to someone yesterday who is pro gun and he said we should have more people with guns...preferably nearly everyone..with proper training being mandatory. He said if everyone had guns crime rates would go down as everyone knows that the other guy has a gun as well. If everyone had a gun and a shooter was shooting from a building, for example, it wouldn't take long for 40, 50 or 100 people to start shooting back.

People shooting back at a target they couldn't see? Most people who get a gun aren't going to get a rifle and carry it with them to a concert either.

Plus the dude was over 400 yards away in a building that housed other guests. That's 40, 50, or 100 people shooting guns that don't have that effective range, trying to hit a man they can't see, shooting at a building with innocent people in it. Not even accounting the bullet drop could hit a random person just driving down the road.

It seems a lot of people who carry seem to think if everyone carried everything would be okay. But I don't think its that simple. It is much easier for a regular guy who shoots paper targets to freeze up and make a mistake then it is for a trained individual to make that same mistake. A gun is only as good as its shooter.

[Fundguy1]

Originally Posted by seedyrom

Happy to hear your criticism of news source.

Not happy to hear your understanding of mathematics

(19 + 3) 2= 44. Hmmm. They dont teach math over there either?

[Fundguy1]

Originally Posted by seedyrom

Yeah, okay, I’m out.

Might actually give this site a miss.

It’s been eye-opening hearing American thoughts and opinions ... but they are so misaligned with progression, that it’s more disheartening than anything else.


At least I discovered bimmercode. Great app. Will bang again. A+


Later dudes.

Progression is a term the left uses to try to say their the party of progress. The problem is theyre the party of socialism and societal chaos. I don't see how destroying history or traditions is progress. They hsve no clue how to make the economy or international relations work. Yes, on some social issues theyre ok, but most they need to push to extremes. And in the USA they get elected by fear and media backing, not by having a plan or message.

[Fundguy1]

Originally Posted by sleeprequired

What I’m saying is reduce the risks you face. Just because someone can drive a car through people doesn’t mean you should ignore shooting massacres.

I’ll say it again, just because you have one risk factor doesn’t mean removing others is pointless. It’s like saying I took a risk crossing the street so I may as well smoke for the rest of my life. Or I’m at risk from cancer so I may as well smoke.

Am I making any sense? Maybe not but but hey, that’s not my fault if you get my drift.

Bomb making is more difficult and requires specialist knowledge and detailed planning, as well as acquiring chemicals that are very well tracked by your many agencies. Any idiot can wield a high powered rapid rate of fire weapon. They are designed to be able to be used effectively by idiots.

But it increases the risk factor not decreases it. With 2mm crimes a year foiled by guns, they're much better to have. It's like saying that because 10 people a year have seatbelts jam during an accident and die a fiery death as a result of being trapped in the car, we should take away seatbelts.

As for your bomb making analogy, it was posted on the net how to do it with kitchen supplies. Getting the guns requires background checks and registration. Buying bleach and nails doesn't.

[Fundguy1]

Originally Posted by sleeprequired

So compulsory military style straining and arm the entire population?

YEEEEEEEE HAAAAAA!

You sure you weren’t talking to someone from the NRA with investments in every major gun manufacturer in the US?

Can’t take that too seriously...

It's what Israel requires. I don't see an issue there. Every man and woman are required to serve and every household is required by law to have an assault weapon, not semi auto version.

[1MOREMOD]

I like the idea and have proposed it before. Didn't include women but sure

[Delta0311]

Let's go over the common causes of death in the US

[Delta0311]

Originally Posted by seedyrom

Yeah. America and some members here are like an alcoholic arguing that they don’t have a drinking problem.

The rest of the world is trying to hold an intervention to highlight the problem, but they are saying:
“it’s not a problem! I want to drink. If drinking was so bad, why is it legal?”

Yeah, but shitting the bed every few days shows you aren’t being responsible

Meanwhile Europe is hit by terrorist attacks almost every month. Their solution is to "carry on" and bring in more migrant; only Central and Eastern Europe is stepping up to fix the problem. And of course they are labeled as racist xenophobes. But yes we Americans are the drunk ones.

[Maynard]

I'm suspicious that your nifty causes of death chart is neither comprehensive nor accurate (and I'm guessing that 'murder by gun' is one of those clever and very narrow categories, probably eliminating suicides, accidental toddler shootings, and cases where they haven't listed it as a 'murder'). Suicide is the 10th leading cause of death, per the most recent data we're getting, and I think about 30% or more of those are by firearm.

[Delta0311]

Originally Posted by Maynard

I'm suspicious that your nifty causes of death chart is neither comprehensive nor accurate (and I'm guessing that 'murder by gun' is one of those clever and very narrow categories, probably eliminating suicides, accidental toddler shootings, and cases where they haven't listed it as a 'murder'). Suicide is the 10th leading cause of death, per the most recent data we're getting, and I think about 30% or more of those are by firearm.

Umm yeah last I checked suicide is NOT murder.

[sleeprequired]

Originally Posted by Delta0311

Let's go over the common causes of death in the US

Sweet. Ban food and have compulsory conscription in the army which will be the only place people are well fed!

Genius.

It’ll reduce abortion rates because all the men will be at training or war and won’t even have a chance to get women pregnant and then abortion will be a thing of the past as well.

Further to that they’ll all be fit and heart disease will be less prevalent because in the army you can dictate to people what they eat as well!!!

This is great because while talking about gun control we have inadvertently solved other problems that had NOTHING to do with what we are talking about.

All this talk of extreme left (not strictly directed at who I’m replying to). I’m not even political, I couldn’t care less about whether a viewpoint is left or right, or straight down the middle. I assess viewpoints on merit, Be they left or right ideals.

Why talk about freedom to own firearms only to say you don’t have a problem with compulsory military service?

[sleeprequired]

That table is also totally ignoring what the law considers a ‘life’ as well. You do need to consider that because the murder part of your argument is determined by the law as well.

Otherwise feeding someone an unhealthy meal could be attributed to murder. That makes every mother a murderer.

See how if you surrender your rationality you can produce any argument? While not the most insightful thing to do it is VERY fun isn’t it?

[sleeprequired]

Originally Posted by Delta0311

Meanwhile Europe is hit by terrorist attacks almost every month. Their solution is to "carry on" and bring in more migrant; only Central and Eastern Europe is stepping up to fix the problem. And of course they are labeled as racist xenophobes. But yes we Americans are the drunk ones.

You’re not getting all these frequent terrorist attacks because you had the worst one of all time and your government agencies cracked down and are doing a great job!!

Turn that diligence to gun control as well and you’ll get less mass shooting murders too.

Get it?

Having said that, can I ask the pro gun people in this forum this question?

Here goes....

Are you prepared to continue to have these mass shootings at the current rate they’re occurring to preserve your current gun rights? Yes or no?

Changing nothing with gun rights means things will inevitably continue on as they are....

[Delta0311]

Originally Posted by sleeprequired

You’re not getting all these frequent terrorist attacks because you had the worst one of all time and your government agencies cracked down and are doing a great job!!

Turn that diligence to gun control as well and you’ll get less mass shooting murders too.

Get it?

Having said that, can I ask the pro gun people in this forum this question?

Here goes....

Are you prepared to continue to have these mass shootings at the current rate they’re occurring to preserve your current gun rights? Yes or no?

Changing nothing with gun rights means things will inevitably continue on as they are....

Ok for the sake of your argument, let's say I am willing to give up my Glock. I live in NJ, population almost 9 million.
Now let's go over the shitty areas of NJ; I'm pulling these from the top of my head.
Newark
Irvington
East Orange
Camden
Atlantic City
Patterson
Parts of Jersey City
Elizabeth
parts of Asbury
parts of Perth Amboy
New Brunswick
Neptune
Trenton
You can safely bet that many of the criminals living in these cities are going to be packing. Now do you honestly think they will simply give up their firearms if guns where made illegal in the US?

In the last 50 years there have been 948 people killed in mass shootings. Mass shooting make up less than 1% of gun deaths in the US.
That's 948 victims in 50 years
Right now in Chicago we are at 530 MURDER victims for the year and it is only October, last years total was 751. So compare the numbers. There is deafening silence when it comes to the insane crime rates of the inner cities.

50 years = 948 victims of mass shootings
1 year and ONE SINGLE inner city gave us 751 murder victims
The first one is such are problem that late night show hosts are growing vaginas and crying like little girls. The second one no one gives a fuck about not even BLM.

[Fundguy1]

Originally Posted by Maynard

I'm suspicious that your nifty causes of death chart is neither comprehensive nor accurate (and I'm guessing that 'murder by gun' is one of those clever and very narrow categories, probably eliminating suicides, accidental toddler shootings, and cases where they haven't listed it as a 'murder'). Suicide is the 10th leading cause of death, per the most recent data we're getting, and I think about 30% or more of those are by firearm.

And suicide isnt stopped if you don't have a gun. I'm gonna kill myself. Wait, no AR15. Oh well. Guess I'm gonna live. Only the stupid left includes those to pump up the figures and gun bans do zero to lower it.

[Fundguy1]

Originally Posted by sleeprequired

You’re not getting all these frequent terrorist attacks because you had the worst one of all time and your government agencies cracked down and are doing a great job!!

Turn that diligence to gun control as well and you’ll get less mass shooting murders too.

Get it?

Having said that, can I ask the pro gun people in this forum this question?

Here goes....

Are you prepared to continue to have these mass shootings at the current rate they’re occurring to preserve your current gun rights? Yes or no?

Changing nothing with gun rights means things will inevitably continue on as they are....

HHHHHEEEELLLLLLLL YYYYEEEEESSSSS!!!!!!!!!

Get out of my countries business and crawl back afraid.

[Delta0311]

Originally Posted by Fundguy1

And suicide isnt stopped if you don't have a gun. I'm gonna kill myself. Wait, no AR15. Oh well. Guess I'm gonna live. Only the stupid left includes those to pump up the figures and gun bans do zero to lower it.

Not far from me there is the Victory Bridge, which links South Amboy with Perth Amboy. When you drive over the bridge you will see signs hanging with a message "There is help" and an 800 number to call. Why is this? Because people love committing suicide there, as it has a pedestrian walk way.

[Fundguy1]

Originally Posted by Delta0311

Not far from me there is the Victory Bridge, which links South Amboy with Perth Amboy. When you drive over the bridge you will see signs hanging with a message "There is help" and an 800 number to call. Why is this? Because people love committing suicide there, as it has a pedestrian walk way.

True. I'm from Jersey originally. They go on the bridge to commit suicide with their bump stock assault weapon. Happens all the time. Not. Lol

[sleeprequired]

Originally Posted by Fundguy1

HHHHHEEEELLLLLLLL YYYYEEEEESSSSS!!!!!!!!!

Get out of my countries business and crawl back afraid.

there you go... nothing anyone can say or do will change your mind, no cost is too great for you.

That's fine. I respect your right to have an opinion.

I'm done trying to talk sense into people who would gladly see mass shootings continue rather than reexamine, or even think about, their point of view.

[sleeprequired]

Originally Posted by Delta0311

Not far from me there is the Victory Bridge, which links South Amboy with Perth Amboy. When you drive over the bridge you will see signs hanging with a message "There is help" and an 800 number to call. Why is this? Because people love committing suicide there, as it has a pedestrian walk way.

[sleeprequired]

ok guys. have a nice life. I can't keep you on point, and you've confirmed in writing you can't be reasoned with. I just hope you're not the next one to have a bad day!!

[Delta0311]

Originally Posted by sleeprequired

Read my post above. That was on topic.