[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by gblansten

Life is process. LA used to be filled with smog from cars. We could have banned them or accepted the smog. Instead innovation brought us catalytic converters.

Air pollutant emissions in the United States from 1970 to 2022, by pollutant
Annual emissions of various air pollutants in the United States have experienced dramatic reductions over the past half a century. As of 2022, emissions of nitrogen oxides (NOx) had reduced by more than 70 percent since 1970 to 7.4 million tons. Sulfur dioxide (SO2) emissions have also fallen dramatically in recent decades, dropping from 23 million tons to 1.8 million tons between 1990 and 2022.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/...ns-by-type-us/G]

Yes progress has been made but not in the overnight time frame you think you will get. There is NO way to mine the large quantities of ore required other than open pit mining. This has been the standard since the time of Alexander the Great. So don't look for any technological break through here.

[Tejas1836]

Well, these people sure aren't happy according to Amnesty International
https://apnews.com/article/congo-min...1db34dc3dcad2c

ABUJA, Nigeria (AP) — The mining of minerals critical to electric vehicle batteries and other green technologies in Congo has led to human rights abuses, including forced evictions and physical assault, according to a new report from Amnesty International and another rights group.

[chad86tsi]

Originally Posted by gblansten

The exciting thing is that the US has some very bright people that can innovate and mine the lithium appropriately.

So what are they waiting for?

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by chad86tsi

So what are they waiting for?

I have final say on this. Feeling cute. Might not decide until December.

[fcman]

Perfection is the enemy of progress

[M3WC]

Activists: US is stolen land from Native Americans.

Largest lithium deposit found under sacred Native American burial site(from a battle in 1800's against American soldiers).

Activists: F*ck'em...start mining.

[KRS_SN]

https://www.ft.com/content/55ec498d-...9-af06cc45f8e7


European Commission president Ursula von der Leyen announced the probe in her annual address to EU lawmakers on Wednesday. “Global markets are now flooded with cheaper Chinese electric cars,” she said


Who would have guessed that lol

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by KRS_SN

https://www.ft.com/content/55ec498d-...9-af06cc45f8e7


European Commission president Ursula von der Leyen announced the probe in her annual address to EU lawmakers on Wednesday. “Global markets are now flooded with cheaper Chinese electric cars,” she said


Who would have guessed that lol

She's on the ball and up to date there

[AmuroRay]

Originally Posted by gblansten

I think we can do a better job mining than South America. I plan to outsource the worry over this to others.

There has never been a better time to be alive in human history.

But no one is happy.

People now are less capable, dumber and less free than ever before. People should be happy we are strip mining the earth with slave labor to solve a problem that doesn't exist?

[AmuroRay]

Originally Posted by gblansten

I have final say on this. Feeling cute. Might not decide until December.

Glad we know you aren't really serious about any of this. You're just virtue signaling by buying the newest thing. Facts be damned, right?

[Car-Addicted]

Everybody is a globalist when it that means hiding the environmental damage in some far away place with people you don't know and could care less about.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

Glad we know you aren't really serious about any of this. You're just virtue signaling by buying the newest thing. Facts be damned, right?

One of the problems on the left is that virtue is hard, virtue signaling is easy.

[gblansten]

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

Glad we know you aren't really serious about any of this. You're just virtue signaling by buying the newest thing. Facts be damned, right?

My last five cars had a gas guzzler tax on them. I just take a balanced approach to all of this. You are getting yourself way too worked up. I don't give a fu&& about virtue signaling and can't relate to that.

[Car-Addicted]

Biden administration imposes 20-year mining moratorium in watershed of BWCA
“Today is an attack on our way of life,” said Rep. Pete Stauber, R-8th District. “Joe Biden banned mining in 225,000 acres of Minnesota’s Iron Range, and locked up development of taconite, copper, nickel, cobalt, platinum-group elements, and more.”

Stauber said the moratorium would only spur unsafe and dirty mining overseas and increased use of child labor in those operations. He also said he would use his new position as a chairman of House Natural Resources subcommittee with jurisdiction over energy and mining to hold hearings into the Biden administration’s actions.

“This region sits on top of one of the world’s largest deposits of critical minerals that are vital in meeting our nation’s goals to transition to a clean energy future, to create American jobs, to strengthen our national security and to bolster domestic supply chains,” the mining company said in a statement.

https://www.minnpost.com/environment...rshed-of-bwca/

[kyriian]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

One of the problems on the left is that virtue is hard, virtue signaling is easy.

Speaking as a leftie, I hate to agree, at least I am too poor to signal though

[AmuroRay]

Originally Posted by gblansten

My last five cars had a gas guzzler tax on them. I just take a balanced approach to all of this. You are getting yourself way too worked up. I don't give a fu&& about virtue signaling and can't relate to that.

I'm not worked up about anything. I just said that electric cars are a Hegelian dialect. They "solve" an issue that doesn't exist by creating an even bigger issue.

If the environment was really a concern, why wouldn't they encourage LESS consumption via updating and repairing old cars and products, instead of encouraging consuming more? You're not saving the world by buying new (disposable at that) junk.

[kyriian]

Originally Posted by AmuroRay

If the environment was really a concern, why wouldn't they encourage LESS consumption via new cars and products, instead of more? You're not saving the world by buying new (disposable at that) junk.

Because the 1% needs the peons below them to keep consuming. There is no money to be earned by actually doing something correctly, the environment won't pay these rich fucks a penny to clean the water or air, and Joe and Jane public is too stupid and powerless to do anything about it.

[AmuroRay]

Originally Posted by kyriian

Because the 1% needs the peons below them to keep consuming. There is no money to be earned by actually doing something correctly, the environment won't pay these rich fucks a penny to clean the water or air, and Joe and Jane public is too stupid and powerless to do anything about it.

It's less to do with money and more to do with something else. Most of the people who control these industries are already rich. These people (and the government(s) which controls them) want control, which is what electric cars do.

By moving away from physical energy storage (just like we are moving away from physical data storage) they can basically control your life through the electrical grid and ration off energy usage based "compliance" and keep you locked into a subscription based service.

If you think gas is bad - at least your car can sit for a few days or weeks and start with the same amount of range you left it with. Electric cars can't do that, they will lose range over time and actually get worse with age.

They also are substantially more costly (though incentives are working it down to parity) harder and more costly to repair and insure as well. They are basically disposable.

[Alfisti]

The paranoia of Americans does my head in. You guys live in an alternate universe i swear.

[AmuroRay]

Originally Posted by Alfisti

The paranoia of Americans does my head in. You guys live in an alternate universe i swear.

It's so crazy that people can literally look at every single point presented, do ZERO research and claim that everyone is paranoid.

You didn't even do the bare minimum in thought. You deferred your whole logic, reasoning and thought process to the news and people "who are experts" and just assumed it was correct.

It's lazy, and it's why we are here.

[Car-Addicted]

Originally Posted by kyriian

Because the 1% needs the peons below them to keep consuming. There is no money to be earned by actually doing something correctly, the environment won't pay these rich fucks a penny to clean the water or air, and Joe and Jane public is too stupid and powerless to do anything about it.

In their own words:

“Climate policy has almost nothing to do anymore with environmental protection, says the German economist and IPCC official Ottmar Edenhofer. The next world climate summit in Cancun is actually an economy summit during which the distribution of the worlds resources will be negotiated.”
-- Ottmar Edenhofer

[TheWatchGuy]

Originally Posted by Car-Addicted

First you were pushing the envelope renting a EV in Oklahoma but you got home so it's all good.

I can't get this image out of my head. I assume you were deer hunting? The thought of a dead deer strapped to the hood of a EV posted on social media just makes me LMAO. The sounds of Green heads exploding is music to my ears.

dove hunting but im gonna have to rent an ev when we go back out for deer now