09-11-2023, 03:41 PM | #4027 |
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If you want a real world (not wltp) trip of 60 miles you need 4.5kg of fuel.
Want 600 miles. That'll be 45kg fuel sir. Ok and add in a 300kg for the engine and gearbox etc ie 345 kg for 600 miles and 5 minutes to fill. Want an ev capable of either 60 miles or 600 miles that'll be 1 tonne of weight for the battery plus 150kg for the motors sir And you'll need to charge for hours to get those 600 miles. Who is interested... |
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09-11-2023, 03:47 PM | #4028 | |
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Oh wait, those are tar-sands. They are using non-lithium-intensive batteries where possible, there's an entire new generation of EVs being used with that technology and several available right now. This isn't the "problem" that many are making it out to be. Sure, there are environmental and other issues for any extraction, but several sources are available and technology is working to provide decent alternatives.
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09-11-2023, 03:53 PM | #4029 |
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I heard the megachargers for the Tesla semi require more power than what's required for a house for 1 month.
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09-11-2023, 03:54 PM | #4030 |
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I sell these batteries and have be racing them in RC for more years than Tesla has been in existence. I have forgotten more about LiPo batteries than most EV'ers think they know.
If you can ignore the environmental impact of these batteries then you are a world class idiot and your name isn't Greta. |
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like I said, EV's are still in their infancy and tech moves fast. https://carbuzz.com/news/porsche-evs...-recharge-time |
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09-11-2023, 04:00 PM | #4032 | |
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if you are trying to equate the latest car battery technology to your toys, you might be the idiot keep lapping up all that big oil nonsense...they need more sheep like you Read the article and quit worrying about your girlfriend Gretta |
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09-11-2023, 04:01 PM | #4033 |
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09-11-2023, 04:24 PM | #4035 |
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https://www.autoblog.com/2023/09/10/...ough-chargers/
Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm looks at electric vehicles during a visit to the Washington Auto Show in Washington. Andrew Harnik/AP The U.S. secretary of energy went on a road trip to promote electric vehicles. Jennifer Granholm and her team ran into a predictable snag: a lack of EV chargers. The obstacle even caused the police to get involved at one point in the trip, NPR reported. When the U.S. secretary of energy and her team embarked on a road trip to promote electric vehicles, they ran into a predictable yet frustrating obstacle: a lack of electric vehicle chargers. Indeed, there are only about three electric vehicle charging ports for every 10,000 people in the United States, Insider reported in April. The scarcity of chargers was such an issue for Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm and her team that the police got involved at one point, NPR reported. The caravan of electric vehicles heading from Charlotte to Memphis over the course of four days hit a snag in Grovestown, Georgia. The group was planning a quick charge when they realized there wouldn't be enough electric vehicle chargers to go around since one was broken and the others were in use, NPR reported. So an employee from the Department of Energy tried to save one of the spots using a gas-powered car. It was a sweltering day and the move didn't go over well with a family that was also waiting for a charging spot. The situation escalated to the point that the family, driving with a baby in their car, called the police, who didn't have the authority to act because blocking an EV charging spot with a gas-power car isn't illegal in Georgia, NPR reported. While Granholm and her team worked to smooth things over, ultimately ceding a spot to the family and relegating some of their own vehicles to slower charging ports, the incident drew attention to the desperate need for improved EV infrastructure. "It's just par for the course," a bystander driving an electric BMW told NPR. "They'll get it together at some point." The US needs to get its s**t together and build out an EV charging infrastructure. It can't all be left to Tesla as there will need to be competition in that space. |
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09-11-2023, 04:27 PM | #4036 | |
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Have you ever personally been to a open pit mine? Have you experienced the ground water run off from such a mine in a country that does give a "f" about the environment? Don't get me started on the child labor, modern slavery used to mine these ores. Any time you EV'er are trying to spread your pixie dust around about how wonderful your "TOY" is, plan on me and others bringing the facts. |
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09-11-2023, 04:46 PM | #4037 |
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will planes become electric. will the army rely on electric tanks?
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there are a bunch of "facts" in this, but I'm sure you consider it false becuse you have an agenda... How do you dispute any of this? https://www.motortrend.com/features/...being-lied-to/ |
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09-11-2023, 05:10 PM | #4039 |
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Nope and nope. Shipping vessels? Nope. Locomotives? Nope. Semi trucks. Nope. Will many of these vehicles eventually use hybrid type system? Absolutely.
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There's hardly any improvement in battery tech yet. Model 3 was out in 2017. Now in 2024 yet to be out highland model 3 its supposed to be 11% more efficient. Its very poor. |
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09-11-2023, 05:37 PM | #4042 | |
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― John Adams The article acknowledged some of the issue but fails to qualify them especially in the mining and processing of the ore. Not to mention the issue of peek Lithium. Read up on the processing of lithium. Also the cost of recycling batteries is not addressed. Black Mass has not yet become financially viable to separate out minerals. FACTS: To manufacture each EV battery, you must process 25,000 pounds of brine for the lithium 30,000 pounds of ore for the cobalt 5,000 pounds of ore for the nickel 25,000 pounds of ore for copper Digging up 500,000 pounds of the earth's crust. Do you understand the term overburden, ground water contamination? I'll bet the people trying to live around these mines and processing plants do. More FACTS: The lithium extraction process uses a lot of water—approximately 500,000 gallons per metric ton of lithium. To extract lithium, miners drill a hole in salt flats and pump salty, mineral-rich brine to the surface. After several months the water evaporates, leaving a mixture of manganese, potassium, borax and lithium salts which is then filtered and placed into another evaporation pool. After between 12 and 18 months of this process, the mixture is filtered sufficiently that lithium carbonate can be extracted. South America’s Lithium Triangle, which covers parts of Argentina, Bolivia and Chile, holds more than half the world’s supply of the metal beneath its salt flats. But it is also one of the driest places on earth. In Chile’s Salar de Atacama, mining activities consumed 65 percent of the region’s water, which is having a large impact on local farmers to the point that some communities have to get water elsewhere. |
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I imagined I have an EV and it was charging in the garage overnight, (because there is a spate of charge cable thefts if left outside garage). So one night when it was charging I had a nightmare and then woke up covered in sweat but then remembered my garage is detached from the house and my heart rate stabilised.
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Peak Lithium? IMO a very honest appraisal of types of lithium and its availability.
Lithium Demand Could Triple by 2025. Does the World Have Enough? There are two main lithium compounds today: lithium carbonate and lithium hydroxide. The former is typically produced from brine deposits (namely those in South America), while the latter is typically produced from rock deposits (primarily those in Western Australia). In the six-year period spanning 2019 to 2025, Albemarle expects global lithium production to jump 220% and global lithium demand to jump 263%. https://www.fool.com/investing/2020/...the-world.aspx I hope these snippets will engage you enough to read this article. I find the financial guys are less driven by ideology and more by ROI or as you communists like to call it, Greed. Note that the tendency of mining is the cost increases in directly relation deposit draw down. One other point. I was in Geology school during the fight over strip mining. I have been to many a strip mine and I have seen the worst. There was a push to land reclamation as part of the permitting process in the 80's and IMO they have been very positive. I'm sure there is no such plan in south America. |
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