[335m]

Originally Posted by Blipit_

Chevy can do something with the next gen Camaro, or whatever. The Z06 is a different animal for a different buyer. It is a complete package, not some motor bolted to a terrible chassis like the Hellcat. Don't get me wrong the Hellcat is cool, glad to see it coming out of Detroit. But the Z06 is now a track monster, on par with some of the exotics costing 2-3x the money.

There is no way I can see Chevy allowing a Camaro to beat a Corvette in a 1/4mile even if it is a limited production vehicle. That is why I think it will have to be a Corvette.

[DieGrüneHölle]

Originally Posted by 335m

There is no way I can see Chevy allowing a Camaro to beat a Corvette in a 1/4mile even if it is a limited production vehicle. That is why I think it will have to be a Corvette.

It seems to me GM is moving the Z06 more towards achieving lap times, than 1/4 times. Not saying it can't put down a good 1/4, it just wan't designed for it. It is a track monster and will be putting down some insane lap times.

I really don't see why the Camaro can't focus more on the muscle car theme, aka 1/4 mile straight line speed. The Z06 has moved more in the direction of their GT racing program.

[335m]

Originally Posted by Blipit_

It seems to me GM is moving the Z06 more towards achieving lap times, than 1/4 times. Not saying it can't put down a good 1/4, it just wan't designed for it. It is a track monster and will be putting down some insane lap times.

I really don't see why the Camaro can't focus more on the muscle car theme, aka 1/4 mile straight line speed. The Z06 has moved more in the direction of their GT racing program.

Always been a Ford guy myself (domestic wise), but I would seriously consider a Camaro if they added the Magnetic Suspension as an option. Also it would need an interior refresh similar to the C7 improvements.

Z06 is just out of my price range right now, even though it does look to be quite a bargain.

[TSM330i]

Originally Posted by 335m

Considering the Hellcat and whatever Mustang ends up being on par with it, Chevy will have to release something in the 700hp range in order to compete with that market. Even if it is a tuned/lightweight version of the Z06.

I don't think Chevy will have to do anything other than what they're doing. The Z06 may "only" have 650hp vs. 707hp for the Hellcat, but the Z06 should weigh close to 900lbs less than the Hellcat! That means the Z06 will have a 5.54lbs/HP vs. 6.36lbs/HP for the Hellcat.

When the next Camaro comes out, it "should" weigh less than the current car. The current ZL1 is already more nimble and handles better than the Hellcat. Again, if the Chevy equals the HP/LB ratio as the Hellcat, the Camaro should still handle better and possibly equal straight line speed.

[Year's_End]

who the hell compares a bloated musclecar with a hardcore sportscar? the hellcat could have 1000 ponies under its hood and it wouldn't matter; it can't put its 700 down to the ground at practical speeds as is. which is fine... it's not intended to be some kind of max-performance car anyway.

[335m]

Originally Posted by Year's_End

who the hell compares a bloated musclecar with a hardcore sportscar? the hellcat could have 1000 ponies under its hood and it wouldn't matter; it can't put its 700 down to the ground at practical speeds as is. which is fine... it's not intended to be some kind of max-performance car anyway.

True, all I have been trying to bring up is that Chevy will most likely come out with some model to combat in the 1/4mile 700-800hp range considering Ford will most likely push an SVT out soon.

As much as I previously would have doubted that Chevy would produce a Camaro with more horsepower than the top of the line Corvette, the ZL1 weighs around 4100lbs and the Hellcat Challenger is estimated around 4200lbs so that would make a lot of sense.

[F1Venom]

And just lol at how a Porsche Cayman S costs just as much.

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by Year's_End

who the hell compares a bloated musclecar with a hardcore sportscar? the hellcat could have 1000 ponies under its hood and it wouldn't matter; it can't put its 700 down to the ground at practical speeds as is. which is fine... it's not intended to be some kind of max-performance car anyway.

+1

[DieGrüneHölle]

If you had $80-$85k to spend on a sportscar, you would be mad not to get this. GM hit this completely out of the park. Unbelievable car at an unbelievable price.

[Myrder]

Originally Posted by Jamesons Viggen

Start eating crow

Right? I remember stating it would be $85-95k. I'm glad I was high, though base model with the z07 package hits $87k

@Viktimize om nom nom

[Vigilante375]

Originally Posted by 335m

There is no way I can see Chevy allowing a Camaro to beat a Corvette in a 1/4mile even if it is a limited production vehicle. That is why I think it will have to be a Corvette.

Heard of the COPO Camaro? Non-street legal but its a limited production Camaro that destroys the 1/4, like 8 seconds.

BTW, why do people compare something like a Challenger to a Vette? Or a Camaro to a Vette? 2 totally different breeds of performance.

People always gets caught up in the HP from cars. OMG! Hellcat has 700 HP compared to the C7 Z06 puny 650 HP! Ok.....check the weight of both and see which will be faster.

[stealth.pilot]

Originally Posted by F1Venom

And just lol at how a Porsche Cayman S costs just as much.

But the Cayman S is a better car for poseurs and brand droppers!

[Jamesons Viggen]

Originally Posted by Vigilante375

Heard of the COPO Camaro? Non-street legal but its a limited production Camaro that destroys the 1/4, like 8 seconds.

BTW, why do people compare something like a Challenger to a Vette? Or a Camaro to a Vette? 2 totally different breeds of performance.

People always gets caught up in the HP from cars. OMG! Hellcat has 700 HP compared to the C7 Z06 puny 650 HP! Ok.....check the weight of both and see which will be faster.

Easy tiger, the COPO(central office production order) Camaro was an aluminum 427 swapped in, they were quite fast-totally street legal-but were 12-13 second cars on street tires, maybe 11's with slicks and headers. Basically, they were special ordered cars through your dealer. The engine option cost more than the car itself.

[Ezio]

Originally Posted by Blipit_

If you had $80-$85k to spend on a sportscar, you would be mad not to get this. GM hit this completely out of the park. Unbelievable car at an unbelievable price.

IMO it takes more than just 80k to really have ownership on a car like this.

For me i would also need another car to drive in the winter, and even on days i don't feel like driving the corvette. It also only has two seats.

My M3 was over 70 grand, so i could maybe swing this car. but for reasons i said above, its just not the car for me.

[Vigilante375]

Originally Posted by Jamesons Viggen

Easy tiger, the COPO(central office production order) Camaro was an aluminum 427 swapped in, they were quite fast-totally street legal-but were 12-13 second cars on street tires, maybe 11's with slicks and headers. Basically, they were special ordered cars through your dealer. The engine option cost more than the car itself.

I'm not talking about the COPO from the 60s (1st gen), tiger. I'm talking about the limited production, 5th gen Camaro starting in 2012. Here.....let me show you this years:

https://www.chevrolet.com/performance/copo-camaro.html

And my response was to 335m saying that he couldn't see GM letting a Camaro beat the Vette in the 1/4, even if it is a limited production car. Now you can take that as the C7 Z06 being limited production or a Camaro.

Honestly, the Camaro was the car that did it all. From the road course, to the drag strip and on the streets. The Vette never started anything until the later C5 era. Yes, there was a C2 Z06 but for 1 year only compared to how many R/S, Z/28, Yenko Camaros that were made and were used to race.

[Jamesons Viggen]

Originally Posted by Vigilante375

I'm not talking about the COPO from the 60s (1st gen), tiger. I'm talking about the limited production, 5th gen Camaro starting in 2012. Here.....let me show you this years:

https://www.chevrolet.com/performance/copo-camaro.html

And my response was to 335m saying that he couldn't see GM letting a Camaro beat the Vette in the 1/4, even if it is a limited production car. Now you can take that as the C7 Z06 being limited production or a Camaro.

Honestly, the Camaro was the car that did it all. From the road course, to the drag strip and on the streets. The Vette never started anything until the later C5 era. Yes, there was a C2 Z06 but for 1 year only compared to how many R/S, Z/28, Yenko Camaros that were made and were used to race.

Oh lol, that thing, I didn't even see it as a reference point. It's basically a body in white made for drag racing-usually sold with no motor. Both Ford(Mustang Cobra Jet) and Dodge(Challenger) also offer similar options.

[cloakster]

Originally Posted by Ezio

IMO it takes more than just 80k to really have ownership on a car like this.

For me i would also need another car to drive in the winter, and even on days i don't feel like driving the corvette. It also only has two seats.

My M3 was over 70 grand, so i could maybe swing this car. but for reasons i said above, its just not the car for me.

Agreed, I would want something like a 335i as a DD for when I can't drive the Z06. So something like a budget of $120-140k for the combination of both cars.

[Razzy]

Lol. If I were to get a fully optioned Z06, forget getting something like a DD 3 series. I would gladly drive a 1,000 dollar piece of shit as a daily if needed.

I personally enjoy seeing peoples reaction when they see my in my beater 2001 toyota corolla one day and than in my 2012 C63 P31 the day after. Love it!

[cloakster]

Dunno how you do that. With the climate we live in, you would only get 5-6 months a year (4 months this year) to possibly drive the Z06. For the other 6-7 months, I could not imagine having to drive a much worse car.

Do you drive the C63 all year round? If not, do you find its worth driving the corolla in the winter to have the C63 in the summer?

[pgviper]

Originally Posted by 335m

True, all I have been trying to bring up is that Chevy will most likely come out with some model to combat in the 1/4mile 700-800hp range considering Ford will most likely push an SVT out soon.

As much as I previously would have doubted that Chevy would produce a Camaro with more horsepower than the top of the line Corvette, the ZL1 weighs around 4100lbs and the Hellcat Challenger is estimated around 4200lbs so that would make a lot of sense.

Hellcat challenger and charger are >4500 lb's.

The 1le, zl1 and z/28 were all road course oriented. Not one of them was advertised as being 1/4 mile cars. They are advertised as being cars that you can drive on the track while shuttling your family with you there and back.

Corvette is a no compromise vehicle. I think both vehicles have their own separate markets and despite performance overlap, there will be no problem regarding stepping on the others feet.

[Vigilante375]

But yet 1% of ZL1 owners take it to the road course and are more into drag racing or making tons of power then if they get beat.....you won't beat me in the twisty's because of my ZOMG MRS!

Theres more Z/28 guys going to the track than ZL1 owners and there are less of those cars.

[Razzy]

Originally Posted by cloakster

Dunno how you do that. With the climate we live in, you would only get 5-6 months a year (4 months this year) to possibly drive the Z06. For the other 6-7 months, I could not imagine having to drive a much worse car.

Do you drive the C63 all year round? If not, do you find its worth driving the corolla in the winter to have the C63 in the summer?

It sucks for sure. I'm also (was) an avid sportbike rider so I am used to having to put the "fun" stuff away for 6 months a year. It sucks and more than anything I hate the weather in Ontario, Canada.

I've only driven my "nice" cars in summer/spring weather. They all go in the garage for hibernation the moment temps start going below 5 degrees Celcius.

I don't like driving a shittier car but I'm fine with it. It could be a lot worse. My beater cars could be my only cars.