[F87source]

Originally Posted by 3798j

Exactly...The first car to take full advantage of ground effects aerodynamics, the Lotus 79, had a front wing that guided air flow beneath it toward the undercarriage.

That's why alot of teams are running the 4th wing element as the largest one and closest to the ground with a gap between the other 3 elements. They want it to be a flow conditioner to smooth the air to the underbody tunnels.

It appears merc and redbull haven't done that, but if it works for them it works for them or there will be more development down that path in the future.


I do know kyle said merc has a more squared off tunnel openeing making it less sensitive to air flow turbulence or the direction of air flow so that might be why merc is not so reliant on the air flow conditioner. But we will see as the season progresses.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by F87source

If I were paid by toto I would still be driving my cla45 AMG and on Merc forums. The better question is are you paid by Horner to be this naive?

This has nothing to do with Mercedes's upgrades and components, it doesn't prove any of your accusations. This is typical behavior when you can't prove your talking points you try to change the subject


Btw that summary doesn't paint the entire picture it's more cherry picking of scenarios at best. Don't forget engine replacement regs were put in place to help Honda return to f1in the turbo hybrid era

1- Who changed the subject now ?

2- What's YOUR source regarding your statement ?

3- Probably you mean that Mercedes was forced to remove (delete) the Party-Mode software by the new FIA software regulations ?
And suddenly HAM was 0.7 sec. slower at COTA !

Think your sources come from your 'naive Mercedes multi-imagination ...

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by MontyB1

I’ve supported many different teams and drivers over the years and will continue to do so. Max is an amazing driver and talent that’s clear for all to see.

Redbull however seem to have made their fans somewhat toxic and I don’t think I’ve seen that in over 4 decades of watching the sport.

You mean the Orange Army that were rocking at Zandvoort and when Max clinched the title? Then you haven't seen much over the years switching from team to team..yeah that's right,whoever was winning

[F87source]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

1- Who changed the subject now ?

2- What's YOUR source regarding your statement ?

3- Probably you mean that Mercedes was forced to remove (delete) the Party-Mode software by the new FIA software regulations ?
And suddenly HAM was 0.7 sec. slower at COTA !

Think your sources come from your 'naive Mercedes multi-imagination ...

1) nope I adressed your question right below.

2) The fact that none of the teams forcefully challenged merc's car in terms of legality like I said before. There have been inquiriries but no formal investigation requests and no law suits. This is after the best engineers in the world examined the merc and couldn't find anything that they would challenge. That is the best proof out there backed by the best engineers on the planet no being able to find any illegalities with the merc. Merc also passed all the inspections required. I keep saying this over and over, but you have never been able to bring up anything worth while to refute this. I told you before If anyone could prove mercedes cheated or had illegal parts they would sue mercedes into obilvion. But no one has been able to do it. So all you butt hurt red bull fans do is make up some fantasy to degrade merc and make max look better. That is sheer dellusion.

Nothing you brought up has a remote sense of legitamacy, all you've managed to is bring up conspiracy theories with no backing.

3) There was nothing illegal about party mode, it was just running different engine settings except party mode pushed the engine to the limit. Every team ran multiple engine settings. Then redbull cried to the FIA complaining they couldn't keep up and that was removed to help redbull.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by MontyB1

Yeah not sure if it’s truly inspired or doomed to failure, can’t wait to see how it evolves and how Ferrari does. There are some great new younger drivers that I can’t wait to fight it out.

Leclerc
Norris
Russell
*Max
Sainz ( a little older)
Schumacher
And a good few others, can’t wait.

Probably you missed the entire 2021 F1 season ...

[F87source]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Probably you missed the entire 2021 F1 season ...

You forgot the astreix.

[F87source]

Originally Posted by F87source

1) nope I adressed your question right below.

2) The fact that none of the teams forcefully challenged merc's car in terms of legality like I said before. There have been inquiriries but no formal investigation requests and no law suits. This is after the best engineers in the world examined the merc and couldn't find anything that they would challenge. That is the best proof out there backed by the best engineers on the planet no being able to find any illegalities with the merc. Merc also passed all the inspections required. I keep saying this over and over, but you have never been able to bring up anything worth while to refute this. I told you before If anyone could prove mercedes cheated or had illegal parts they would sue mercedes into obilvion. But no one has been able to do it. So all you butt hurt red bull fans do is make up some fantasy to degrade merc and make max look better. That is sheer dellusion.

Nothing you brought up has a remote sense of legitamacy, all you've managed to is bring up conspiracy theories with no backing.

3) There was nothing illegal about party mode, it was just running different engine settings except party mode pushed the engine to the limit. Every team ran multiple engine settings. Then redbull cried to the FIA complaining they couldn't keep up and that was removed to help redbull.

and to add, what you're essentially implying is redbull is such a pathetic team full of pathetic engineers that they can't even tell that the merc is illegal because they've never push a formal challenge or filed a formal complaint. Just inquiries. And you also insinuate that you yourself are far beyond redbulls capability because you can identify things they cannot.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by F87source

1) nope I adressed your question right below.

2) The fact that none of the teams forcefully challenged merc's car in terms of legality like I said before. There have been inquiriries but no formal investigation requests and no law suits. This is after the best engineers in the world examined the merc and couldn't find anything that they would challenge. That is the best proof out there backed by the best engineers on the planet no being able to find any illegalities with the merc. Merc also passed all the inspections required. I keep saying this over and over, but you have never been able to bring up anything worth while to refute this. I told you before If anyone could prove mercedes cheated or had illegal parts they would sue mercedes into obilvion. But no one has been able to do it. So all you butt hurt red bull fans do is make up some fantasy to degrade merc and make max look better. That is sheer dellusion.

Nothing you brought up has a remote sense of legitamacy, all you've managed to is bring up conspiracy theories with no backing.

3) There was nothing illegal about party mode, it was just running different engine settings except party mode pushed the engine to the limit. Every team ran multiple engine settings. Then redbull cried to the FIA complaining they couldn't keep up and that was removed to help redbull.

Makes no sense !
Why was Mercedes able to keep DAS then ?

While all the teams signed protests against the DAS advantage ?

BTW ...'DAS was already used by HAM at the Hungarian GP in '2018 !!!
Yeah ! In the Silver Mercedes arrow ...The FIA was sleeping there !

Source ? Of course mate !

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Probably you missed the entire 2021 F1 season ...

Off to slumber now with that image of World Champ Max and having a laugh at the two 'tech expert' boys who think they know better at seing a clip from a journo who himself is probably a HAM fan.

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by F87source

You forgot the astreix.

I keep looking for this asterisk people speak of but can find it

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Makes no sense !
Why was Mercedes able to keep DAS then ?

While all the teams signed protests against the DAS advantage ?

BTW ...'DAS was already used by HAM at the Hungarian GP in '2018 !!!
Yeah ! In the Silver Mercedes arrow ...The FIA was sleeping there !

Source ? Of course mate !

Of course! It's f87 source where he gets his source heheh

[F87source]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Makes no sense !
Why was Mercedes able to keep DAS then ?

While all the teams signed protests against the DAS advantage ?

BTW ...'DAS was already used by HAM at the Hungarian GP in '2018 !!!
Yeah ! In the Silver Mercedes arrow ...The FIA was sleeping there !

Source ? Of course mate !

Already debunked this as well but you can only recycle old garbage over and over because you are clinging onto false hope.

1) The steering wheel barely moved in the 2018 footage, and can be atributed to lighting changes and the rain vs. actual forward and backward movement. That's why there was no other footage.

2) The most significant thought, none of the other teams even mentioned it. Yet when DAS was introduced in 2020 everyone spotted it immediately. You do realize teams scrutineer every second of every angle of other team footage and audio right?

Essentially you are implying you are superior to all other teams and all of their engineers examining this footage because you saw this and they didn't. Hmm which one is more plausible, the guy with a horrible track record when talking about f1 who thinks wings create lift because they are not close to the ground or the top engineers on the entire planet. Such a hard choice.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Of course! It's f87 source where he gets his source heheh

Mercedes is the biggest cheater ever in the F1 history !!!

[NYG]

Originally Posted by MontyB1

Toyota spent over £1Bn trying to conquer F1 and others have tried the same BMW for example. It’s a VERY expensive game to enter. They are waiting for the new engine regs to come in so likely will only supply an engine.

Oh and ask Honda how they found creating an F1 grade engine, hard in a word. And you mention Ferrari, people love them, they are iconic and they have MORE money than anyone and their engines and car have been average for nearly a decade.

As I say it’s not easy.

Bruh, Porsche and Audi have been dominating everything. They're involved in every type of racing including LMP. They are experienced with alternative fuels, they're experienced with hybrid technology, underbody downforce, etc...

You're really underestimating just how powerful and ahead of the other companies both of them are ALREADY.

[F87source]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Of course! It's f87 source where he gets his source heheh

Because watching some conspiracy take place on an unreputable youtube channel that doesn't even have a real narrator is so legit. Plus getting your information from pro max belgium news sources that make stuff up is so credible.

I remember asking you guys where you got the info about redbull making a flexi wing, and I said I couldn't find anything on google. Then you retorted "not everything is on google" and proceeded to provide me with that biased news source that even had the guy saying he guessed redbull would do the same, and you took that as a fact.

This proves two things:

1) You don't know where to find factual information, hint if there is only once source claiming something and no one else says it. There is a high chance that is wrong.

2) You are literally grabbing onto every string possible that meets your view point proven when you take someones opinion or guess and treat it as fact. This proves you literally aren't interested in the truth you only watch to satisfy your false narrative and are not interested in the truth. you guys are just hateful, uninformed, max verstappen nut huggers.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by F87source

Already debunked this as well but you can only recycle old garbage over and over because you are clinging onto false hope.

1) The steering wheel barely moved in the 2018 footage, and can be atributed to lighting changes and the rain vs. actual forward and backward movement. That's why there was no other footage.

2) The most significant thought, none of the other teams even mentioned it. Yet when DAS was introduced in 2020 everyone spotted it immediately. You do realize teams scrutineer every second of every angle of other team footage and audio right?

Essentially you are implying you are superior to all other teams and all of their engineers examining this footage because you saw this and they didn't. Hmm which one is more plausible, the guy with a horrible track record when talking about f1 who thinks wings create lift because they are not close to the ground or the top engineers on the entire planet. Such a hard choice.

You must be kidding mate ?

[NYG]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

Porsche coming in would perhaps be enough for me to change teams. I love Ferrari and Porsche. Difference is I have owned and can afford a Porsche. A Ferrari is a bit out of my league

I also have much more confidence in Porsche's ability to hit the road running with new engine regulations. They can sit back on lobby for the engine they are surely working on now. Then, if it doesn't go to plan they can just back out.

Being a huge McLaren fan already with an R8, I was really hyped when I heard Audi was in talks with them.

[NYG]

Originally Posted by F87source

Because watching some conspiracy take place on an unreputable youtube channel that doesn't even have a real narrator is so legit. Plus getting your information from pro max belgium news sources that make stuff up is so credible.

I remember asking you guys where you got the info about redbull making a flexi wing, and I said I couldn't find anything on google. Then you retorted "not everything is on google" and proceeded to provide me with that biased news source that even had the guy saying he guessed redbull would do the same, and you took that as a fact.

This proves two things:

1) You don't know where to find factual information, hint if there is only once source claiming something and no one else says it. There is a high chance that is wrong.

2) You are literally grabbing onto every string possible that meets your view point proven when you take someones opinion or guess and treat it as fact. This proves you literally aren't interested in the truth you only watch to satisfy your false narrative and are not interested in the truth. you guys are just hateful, uninformed, max verstappen nut huggers.

Some dangerous driving going on here.

[F87source]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

I keep looking for this asterisk people speak of but can find it

It's right next to Ferrari's 2018 drivers and constructors championship

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by F87source

It's right next to Ferrari's 2018 drivers and constructors championship

I'd happily settle for an * in that case

[F87source]

Originally Posted by NYG

Some dangerous driving going on here.

It's only dangerous driving if I'm making it up, but everything I said is exactly what happened. It's as if they don't even read the news article and just look for headlines that match their narrative. I'm straight forward I don't screw around, I don't make up things about other teams, I don't hate on any driver, and I don't bash any teams.


It's time to clear the air, I've been tolerant for over a year now staying level headed. But it's become apparent some people will not accept the truth and always grab anything to suit their narrative, when they get refuted grab the next closest thing. This is text book whataboutism, can't debate people who exhibit this quality. Monty and everyone that warmed me about these two when I joined these threads are right, redbull seems to make fans toxic and these guys are like children. It's probably best to just ignore their garbage from here on out.


Feel free to highlight that inaccuracies of my post and where I went wrong. I will happily own up to anything that I said that was inaccurate, harsh etc and retract it and apologize.

[F87source]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

I'd happily settle for an * in that case

Hockenheim hurt me too, I felt bad for seb.