[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by F87source

+1

The front wing is like a shovel, it forces air upwards as it tries to make downforce. Why the heck would you out a massive shovel infront of your aero tunnels pushing all the clean Air out of the way, that's just stupid. You want that shovel as high and out of the way as possible hence why F1 were considering removing the front wing all together.


It's crazy how wrong m power is:

1) red bull making a flexi read wing - posts a source from an opinionated pro max news source where it even says the guy thinks redbull is making a new rear wing not. The guy didn't even have a redbull source he was just thinking, but since it's redbull m power lapped it up and spewed it like it was factual.

2) said redbull's engines have recovered all HP losses from e10, when the head engineer from Honda literally posted a video saying they were having a hard time matching last year's power output.

3) said he had engineering friends from Japan who knew Merc had a gps controlled rear suspension. Like wtf, nothing even pointed to that, it didn't even squat until speeds were high enough signifying it's not GPS controlled otherwise it would squat instantly on striaghts. Even scarbs explained how it worked due to hysteresis of the valves when proper loads were reached. Then m power laughed at the notion of valves being used. Like maybe he really is a bit slow.

4) said Merc would release a fake car. It was redbull that released 3 fakes.

5) this whole front wing debacle.

6) said that redbull made a super Newey floor, then makes fun of Merc when they push the limits and redbull seem (not confirmed yet) to be making a normal floor.


And there is so much more..

Let me help you again ...

HAM's ( cheating-warp-speed ) Rocket Grenade at Brazil was just pure fantasie and a Conspiracy Theory !

Just like DAS and the cheating Mercedes Party-Mode .ect...

[F87source]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Let me help you again ...

HAM's ( cheating-warp-speed ) Rocket Grenade at Brazil was just pure fantasie and a Conspiracy Theory !

Just like DAS and the cheating Mercedes Party-Mode .ect...

Already debunked all of that, nothing Merc did was illegal and you have zero evidence that it breaches FIA sporting regulations aside from he said she said nonsense.

Like i said before if it was illegal redbull and others would have already protested and took them to court, they wouldn't have to wait for someone on the internet to point it out. Do you think you're smarter than all the top engineers from redbull? Seems like you think so.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by F87source

Already debunked all of that, nothing Merc did was illegal and you have zero evidence that it breaches FIA sporting regulations aside from he said she said nonsense.

Like i said before if it was illegal redbull and others would have already protested and took them to court, they wouldn't have to wait for someone on the internet to point it out. Do you think you're smarter than all the top engineers from redbull? Seems like you think so.

Are you paid by Toto ?

You're such a Mercedes & HAM preacher !


Probably you forgot that MAX was fined 50K just to touch HAM's 'flexible cheating DRS wing ?

[irunalot]

Merc has out engineered every other team since 2014. That's not cheating, its a lot of hard work by a TEAM of very smart people who work well together.

[F87source]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Are you paid by Toto ?

You're such a Mercedes & HAM preacher !


Probably you forgot that MAX was fined 50K just to touch HAM's 'flexible cheating DRS wing ?

If I were paid by toto I would still be driving my cla45 AMG and on Merc forums. The better question is are you paid by Horner to be this naive?

This has nothing to do with Mercedes's upgrades and components, it doesn't prove any of your accusations. This is typical behavior when you can't prove your talking points you try to change the subject.


Btw that summary doesn't paint the entire picture it's more cherry picking of scenarios at best. Don't forget engine replacement regs were put in place to help Honda return to f1in the turbo hybrid era.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by MontyB1

I think it’s brilliant you’re trying to educate the kids. But if you put a Redbull dog turd photo up they would still say it looks amazing and its going to win.

I’m with you, I’m an engineer and fascinated by the car, the packaging and the aero and have been fortunate to work with a few F1 teams.

But they have ONE thing on their mind, Max+Redbull, I think if he moved to Merc they would declare them the best team ever and forget everything they said. Baffles me.

I guess you're another like f87 who is just interested in the tech, RB fans tend to support one team and don't change their spots but at the end of the day I'm sure you're a HAM fan the way you are sure Merc has sorted it with a foot high front wing

[F87source]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

I guess you're another like f87 who is just interested in the tech, RB fans tend to support one team and don't change their spots but at the end of the day I'm sure you're a HAM fan the way you are sure Merc has sorted it with a foot high front wing

There's a difference between supporting a team and being down right deluded and hateful of everything else.


Btw scarbs talks about the Merc:

And why is it that no qualified F1 engineer says anything about the high front wing being an issue. The only people I hear saying the front wing is too high are the two least qualified people and literally don't understand anything about F1 engineering as proven by their long history of inaccurate posts.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by F87source

There's a difference between supporting a team and being down right deluded and hateful of everything else.





And why is it that no qualified F1 engineer says anything about the high front wing being an issue. The only people I hear saying the front wing is too high are the two least qualified people and literally don't understand anything about F1 engineering as proven by their long history of inaccurate posts.

Which you claim you are with your tech skills just by looking at some pics, don't make me laugh.

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by NYG

I have a feeling that a lot of effort is going to be put into manipulating the new design to generate more dirty air than it should.

All I know is that if Redbull-Porsche and McLaren-Audi happens in a few years, it's OVER for every other team not named Ferrari.

Porsche coming in would perhaps be enough for me to change teams. I love Ferrari and Porsche. Difference is I have owned and can afford a Porsche. A Ferrari is a bit out of my league

I also have much more confidence in Porsche's ability to hit the road running with new engine regulations. They can sit back and lobby for the engine they are surely working on now. Then, if it doesn't go to plan they can just back out.

[F87source]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Which you claim you are with your tech skills just by looking at some pics, don't make me laugh.

I have not, I can claim and postulate. But every time I mention that "I think" or "suspect", I even mention I am not an aerodynamacist. I also base my judgements or opinion on solid facts, and thoughts of other engineers who analyzed the cars or other cars before hand and use that to draw parallels.

I never out right claim this is a terrible approach and the front wing will make the car fly off the track and look how the w13 struggles to stay on track. M power literally makes stuff up without solid backing or proof or even grounding in reality. Notice the difference?



Btw:

9:50 scarbs seems to have no issue with the merc front wing. Is scarbs also wrong? Either M power doesn't know anything or scarbs is an idiot for missing such a critical flaw.

[MontyB1]

Anyone see a big difference in wing height? No me neither the kids are just having fun.

It does show how narrow the Merc is and how wide and high the Ferrari is. Image from Race Fans.

[MontyB1]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

I guess you're another like f87 who is just interested in the tech, RB fans tend to support one team and don't change their spots but at the end of the day I'm sure you're a HAM fan the way you are sure Merc has sorted it with a foot high front wing

I’ve supported many different teams and drivers over the years and will continue to do so. Max is an amazing driver and talent that’s clear for all to see.

Redbull however seem to have made their fans somewhat toxic and I don’t think I’ve seen that in over 4 decades of watching the sport.

[F87source]

Originally Posted by MontyB1

Anyone see a big difference in wing high? No me neither the kids are just having fun.

It does show how narrow the Merc is and how wide and high the Ferrari is. Image from Race Fans. Attachment 2817554

Great image!

What I also notice is that the flap adjuster pushes an inboard vortex on the merc and outboard on the ferrari. I really wonder what the teams are using this vortex for? Kyle speculates it would be for the top of the tunnel to get some vorticity in there.

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by MontyB1

Anyone see a big difference in wing high? No me neither the kids are just having fun.

It does show how narrow the Merc is and how wide and high the Ferrari is. Image from Race Fans. Attachment 2817554

Same with the Ferrari / McLaren side by side. Ferrari looks to have the surface area of a dump truck head on. It's not giving me a warm fuzz feeling inside.

[F87source]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

Same with the Ferrari / McLaren side by side. Ferrari looks to have the surface area of a dump truck head on. It's not giving me a warm fuzz feeling inside.

Lol it's not that fat. Its curvy!

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by irunalot

Merc has out engineered every other team since 2014. That's not cheating, its a lot of hard work by a TEAM of very smart people who work well together.

You mean like in the German 'BlitzKrieg ?

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by F87source

Lol it's not that fat. Its curvy!

[irunalot]

Go back to the late 70s through 82 when F1 last used ground effect as the primary method of producing downforce. Some cars had no front wings and others had high front wings. The air flow to the floor is king..

[MontyB1]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

Same with the Ferrari / McLaren side by side. Ferrari looks to have the surface area of a dump truck head on. It's not giving me a warm fuzz feeling inside.

Yeah not sure if it’s truly inspired or doomed to failure, can’t wait to see how it evolves and how Ferrari does. There are some great new younger drivers that I can’t wait to fight it out.

Leclerc
Norris
Russell
Max
Sainz ( a little older)
Schumacher
And a good few others, can’t wait.

[MontyB1]

Originally Posted by F87source

Great image!

What I also notice is that the flap adjuster pushes an inboard vortex on the merc and outboard on the ferrari. I really wonder what the teams are using this vortex for? Kyle speculates it would be for the top of the tunnel to get some vorticity in there.

Amazing the different philosophies isn’t it. I think they will be trying to aim the vortex at something behind it to help great some downforce. You will see lots of flowviz to see if it’s hitting and doing what they expected it to on the track. If it isn’t or doesn’t then they will tweak it for Race 1 I expect doubt it makes the next test.

[F87source]

Originally Posted by MontyB1

Amazing the different philosophies isn’t it. I think they will be trying to aim the vortex at something behind it to help great some downforce. You will see lots of flowviz to see if it’s hitting and doing what they expected it to on the track. If it isn’t or doesn’t then they will tweak it for Race 1 I expect doubt it makes the next test.

Yeah it is awesome! Makes me geek out! But unfortunately I think it will only be for this year. After this everyone will converge on the most sucessful design.

[3798j]

Originally Posted by irunalot

Go back to the late 70s through 82 when F1 last used ground effect as the primary method of producing downforce. Some cars had no front wings and others had high front wings. The air flow to the floor is king..

Exactly...The first car to take full advantage of ground effects aerodynamics, the Lotus 79, had a front wing that guided air flow beneath it toward the undercarriage.