BMW 1 Series Sedan (F52) Emerges (updated with first video)

swifty · 03-24-2015, 05:33 PM

http://www.pistonheads.com/features/...he-truth/31854

After reading the above article, it would be great to know who makes the xdrive for this sedan. If they plan to use the GKN Twinster version that is availabe on the Mini Countryman, maybe we can expect similar dynamics as the new Focus RS with "drift mode."

However, I really hope BMW offers the M version of this in rear wheel configuration though highly doubt it's possible now.

SCOTT26 · 03-24-2015, 05:43 PM

As of this moment there are no plans for an M version of the F52 neither is their plans for an M Performance model at this moment.
However with the X1 receiving an M Performance model it is not unreasonable to imagine similar in the sedan but with the exception it will be offered in xDrive only.

Ralf84 · 03-24-2015, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by SCOTT26

As of this moment there are no plans for an M version of the F52 neither is their plans for an M Performance model at this moment.
However with the X1 receiving an M Performance model it is not unreasonable to imagine similar in the sedan but with the exception it will be offered in xDrive only.

Scott,

In a recent post you said that this platform could also be rwd because the M department wanted to do the next M2. What is the status with that?

SCOTT26 · 03-24-2015, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Ralf84

Scott,

In a recent post you said that this platform could also be rwd because the M department wanted to do the next M2. What is the status with that?

The decision is ongoing. The incoming CEO has other ideas which the company are investigating.

bimmerjph · 03-24-2015, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by SCOTT26

The decision is ongoing. The incoming CEO has other ideas which the company are investigating.

Dammit, I was hoping the new guy was actually a car guy...

rf1979bmw · 03-24-2015, 07:26 PM

i would definitely get an M-Performance version of this car, in xdrive, with a stick to go against the S3.

KSERGEI-BY · 03-24-2015, 07:52 PM

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That's a Polo? Not a direct competitor. Jetta maybe? But not the Polo.

Its a Polo Sedan / Known as Venta in India.
http://www.volkswagen.by/be/models/p...n/gallery.html

Price list in russian (you'll be able to understand numbers - the rest is not important)

http://www.volkswagen.by/content/med...ce_preview.pdf

Sorry... but I really don't understand how do you planning to compete with this. It's starting price is 9575$. And It is not the only option. There are same sized kias and hundais.

Pauleebe · 03-24-2015, 08:51 PM

I wish they'd at least give us a 130. That's still far off from the 340.

TheBingoBalls · 03-24-2015, 11:05 PM

At this point, I don't care what drivetrain this car has. If this drives like a MINI but with a BMW shell that's all I would really care about because I would know that it would still be fun to drive while providing a few bells and whistles.

1wmb · 03-25-2015, 01:09 AM

Scott, is the decision final where it hit the market or will they watch how it will be received and then bring it to other regions?

Ramos · 03-25-2015, 01:18 AM

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Originally Posted by SCOTT26

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Originally Posted by Ralf84

Scott,

In a recent post you said that this platform could also be rwd because the M department wanted to do the next M2. What is the status with that?

The decision is ongoing. The incoming CEO has other ideas which the company are investigating.

I think the F22 M2 will be one to hold on to then.

Such a shame that this great car will be the last great small BMW

SCOTT26 · 03-25-2015, 10:46 AM

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Originally Posted by 1wmb

Scott, is the decision final where it hit the market or will they watch how it will be received and then bring it to other regions?

The F52 is a global market car, although for regions like Asia and especially China it will be built especially there for that market. Where it will join the 3er , 5er and X1 to be also manufactured in China. It will also be manufactured in. Brasil for those parts of the Americas.
BMW needs such a vehicle like the F52 to compete in the compact sedan market.
Its a very appealing car and such a viable and accessible entry to a BMW.

swifty · 03-25-2015, 11:17 AM

Scott, is this chassis shared with any of the MINIs? If so, current or upcoming?

Drezz · 03-25-2015, 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by SCOTT26

The F52 is a global market car, although for regions like Asia and especially China it will be built especially there for that market. Where it will join the 3er , 5er and X1 to be also manufactured in China. It will also be manufactured in. Brasil for those parts of the Americas.
BMW needs such a vehicle like the F52 to compete in the compact sedan market.
Its a very appealing car and such a viable and accessible entry to a BMW.

Any word on time frame? Releasing next year as 2017 model??

If it's like the 3-series, I fear we'll see only the FWD/base engine config available with manual transmission. Bigger engine/AWD -- Steptronic only??

1wmb · 03-25-2015, 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by SCOTT26

The F52 is a global market car, although for regions like Asia and especially China it will be built especially there for that market. Where it will join the 3er , 5er and X1 to be also manufactured in China. It will also be manufactured in. Brasil for those parts of the Americas.
BMW needs such a vehicle like the F52 to compete in the compact sedan market.
Its a very appealing car and such a viable and accessible entry to a BMW.

So, Europe as well? That sounds good. I´m curious about it!!!

Skeiz · 03-25-2015, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by SCOTT26

However with the X1 receiving an M Performance model it is not unreasonable to imagine similar in the sedan but with the exception it will be offered in xDrive only.

Now that's interesting!

So the X1 will be offered with a 6-cylinder engine in Europe? Currently the engine lineup tops at the 28i in Belgium.

Ralf84 · 03-25-2015, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by SCOTT26

The decision is ongoing. The incoming CEO has other ideas which the company are investigating.

Is this positive or negative regarding rwd for next 2 series?

How is this translated to the next 1 series?
For the Active Tourer/Gran Tourer I understand the fwd decision, but is it not that rwd makes the current 1 series unique?

SCOTT26 · 03-25-2015, 03:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Skeiz

Now that's interesting!

So the X1 will be offered with a 6-cylinder engine in Europe? Currently the engine lineup tops at the 28i in Belgium.

No its getting a four cylinder engine.

SCOTT26 · 03-25-2015, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by 1wmb

So, Europe as well? That sounds good. I´m curious about it!!!

Yes its core rivals the Audi A3 and Mercedes-Benz CLA will be older when the car comes to the market. Its an interesting car , the rear legroom is very good due to thinner front seat backs and in higher class specifications it can be a purposeful luxury car and it will offer many features that will be introduced in upcoming models such as the passenger display.

clbmw · 03-25-2015, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by SCOTT26

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Originally Posted by Ralf84

Scott,

In a recent post you said that this platform could also be rwd because the M department wanted to do the next M2. What is the status with that?

The decision is ongoing. The incoming CEO has other ideas which the company are investigating.

Well let's hope those ideas get put out with the trash where they belong.

RWD small M car is the halo for BMW, the rest of the rep is built and rides on this. More fool BMW if they forget this.

I don't own an M but I would be skeptical about buying another Bimmer next if they dilute the small car range too much from the 50:50 RWD config, especially by inflating the size every generation. If I want FWD I'll buy a golf GTi thanks.

1wmb · 03-25-2015, 04:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SCOTT26

Yes its core rivals the Audi A3 and Mercedes-Benz CLA will be older when the car comes to the market. Its an interesting car , the rear legroom is very good due to thinner front seat backs and in higher class specifications it can be a purposeful luxury car and it will offer many features that will be introduced in upcoming models such as the passenger display.

Yes! Enough time so save some money till SOP

Pauleebe · 03-28-2015, 02:19 PM

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Yes! Enough time so save some money till SOP

Sorry if Missed the latest - do we have a SOP date yet?

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