[irunalot]

Originally Posted by F87source

RB18 upgrades, there was only 1 picture I could find:


New side pods that are more sculpted and the floor looks more refined. It is very fast too, so that is impressive. But at this moment I haven't seen much because it was in the garage for nearly 1hr so perez missed alot of running.

This car seemed the most planted and stable today. Although Max did have that spin on the exit of the last corner before his flying lap. That could just be the tires but these cars don't seem as consistent when pushed and a bit unpredictable.

The Merc unfortunately still looks like it needs some major setup work. It's miles ahead of yesterday but looks far from being fully sorted and consistent. Not sure if they are sand bagging, you can't hide an unbalanced chassis. The spring rates and damping seem way off. Just need to find that sweet spot.

After watching testing for 3 days I was shocked at how fast the cars are on DTS 😂 long way to go for the new cars.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

That's correct my friend

But...

A. Newey knew already during the winter break , that the 2022 FIA design regulations will require specific aero setups regarding the porpoising .

This means we'll see the cars change a lot and more than before in every race in this season ...

We can expect then the bodywork will be changing more than we have hot dinners, the cost cap will be taking a hammering.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

We can expect then the bodywork will be changing more than we have hot dinners, the cost cap will be taking a hammering.

•MAX : Warned the other teams .Today I didn't pushed the car to the limit => https://nl.motorsport.com/f1/news/ma...-tijd/8928764/

•Russell : Red Bull and Ferrari are faster in all perspectives => https://nl.motorsport.com/f1/news/ge...cedes/8934851/

•MAX : Today we didn't got porpoising => https://nl.motorsport.com/f1/news/ma...ising/8927816/

The new World Champion looks so good with his number 1

[F87source]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Spot on !

I think that Mercedes made a huge mistake by removing the side-pods ..
While the body of the car is built around the PU with a extremely narrow rear , the new 2022 Mercedes PU is built to run without side-pods ..
That's why the 2022 Mercedes PU is developed to run with CCS cooling ...(chemical cooling system)

The issue is with the CCS cooling is that they can't go back with bigger side-pods to fix the porpoising ...

Currently the Red Bull RB18-B has the best handling and balance ..
Of course the Mercedes PU has as usual extreme power levels .
But power is nothing without control ....

Well that's not really true:

1) it's mostly the floor causes the porpoising because that's what stalls, and why floor flex is such a huge issue.

2) the CCS has nothing to do with the side pod going wider, if they wanted to go wider they absolutely can and switch back to conventional radiators which they still have. Or they can just keep a narrow inlet but wider body panels. Literally the best option is to have a super tight packaging and be able to do what you want. Their cooling system doesn't prevent this in anyway.


But shouldn't you be happy Merc are struggling? I'm pretty sure they're not sand bagging, this was the same thing with the w12 last year.

[F87source]

Originally Posted by irunalot

This car seemed the most planted and stable today. Although Max did have that spin on the exit of the last corner before his flying lap. That could just be the tires but these cars don't seem as consistent when pushed and a bit unpredictable.

The Merc unfortunately still looks like it needs some major setup work. It's miles ahead of yesterday but looks far from being fully sorted and consistent. Not sure if they are sand bagging, you can't hide an unbalanced chassis. The spring rates and damping seem way off. Just need to find that sweet spot.

After watching testing for 3 days I was shocked at how fast the cars are on DTS 😂 long way to go for the new cars.

Yeah the Merc looks like it needs work while RB and Ferrari are really well setup.


Yeah these cars look slow as hell in the slow corners and it's kind of unbareable to watch at times.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by F87source

Well that's not really true:

1) it's mostly the floor causes the porpoising because that's what stalls, and why floor flex is such a huge issue.

2) the CCS has nothing to do with the side pod going wider, if they wanted to go wider they absolutely can and switch back to conventional radiators which they still have. Or they can just keep a narrow inlet but wider body panels. Literally the best option is to have a super tight packaging and be able to do what you want. Their cooling system doesn't prevent this in anyway.


But shouldn't you be happy Merc are struggling? I'm pretty sure they're not sand bagging, this was the same thing with the w12 last year.

WTH is chemical cooling anyway, sounds dangerous to the drivers if there's a leak or crash with spray/spillage.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

•MAX : Warned the other teams .Today I didn't pushed the car to the limit => https://nl.motorsport.com/f1/news/ma...-tijd/8928764/

•Russell : Red Bull and Ferrari are faster in all perspectives => https://nl.motorsport.com/f1/news/ge...cedes/8934851/

•MAX : Today we didn't got porpoising => https://nl.motorsport.com/f1/news/ma...ising/8927816/

The new World Champion looks so good with his number 1

Well my friend, at the mo the current situation looks like this to me
Max has the momentum:

[F87source]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

WTH is chemical cooling anyway, sounds dangerous to the drivers if there's a leak or crash with spray/spillage.

I have zero clue. But I'm not certain this technology exists on the w13, since the full sized radiators are still there just deeply recessed.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by F87source

I have zero clue. But I'm not certain this technology exists on the w13, since the full sized radiators are still there just deeply recessed.

Ah okay so it could still be fitted for race mode.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by F87source

Well that's not really true:

1) it's mostly the floor causes the porpoising because that's what stalls, and why floor flex is such a huge issue.

2) the CCS has nothing to do with the side pod going wider, if they wanted to go wider they absolutely can and switch back to conventional radiators which they still have. Or they can just keep a narrow inlet but wider body panels. Literally the best option is to have a super tight packaging and be able to do what you want. Their cooling system doesn't prevent this in anyway.


But shouldn't you be happy Merc are struggling? I'm pretty sure they're not sand bagging, this was the same thing with the w12 last year.

You know as well that the whole 2022 Merc PU is completely developed to run with CCS cooling and extreme small radiators in that very small rear end of the W13 .
In other words : Conventional radiators are a lot bigger and wont fit anymore and a complete re-built of the W13's body would be required because this 2022 Mercedes body is extremely narrow !
No way Mercedes can do that , because the winter testing is already over and the first race is next weekend !

No ! I'm not happy ..I want to see dog fights . Just like we witnessed last year like MAX vs HAM !
And I would be very happy to see Ferrari back in the front as well ..

Think that Mercedes gambled too much with the CCS cooling in that very narrow rear end ..
And currently it looks like Mercedes gambled and lost ..

"Gambled and Lost" => When you try to fart hard but end up shitting in your pants !

[F87source]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

You know as well that the whole 2022 Merc PU is completely developed to run with CCS cooling and extreme small radiators in that very small rear end of the W13 .
In other words : Conventional radiators are a lot bigger and wont fit anymore and a complete re-built of the W13's body would be required because this 2022 Mercedes body is extremely narrow !
No way Mercedes can do that , because the winter testing is already over and the first race is next weekend !

No ! I'm not happy ..I want to see dog fights . Just like we witnessed last year like MAX vs HAM !
And I would be very happy to see Ferrari back in the front as well ..

Think that Mercedes gambled too much with the CCS cooling in that very narrow rear end ..
And currently it looks like Mercedes gambled and lost ..

"Gambled and Lost" => When you try to fart hard but end up shitting in your pants !

Actually no, if mercedes wanted a wide side pod design they could have a hollow side pod like the aston martin and mclaren, essentially it is just the body work protruding, the cooling system remains the same. That's the benefit of having such a small engine package it is easy too go bigger just change covers. But it is hard to go smaller.

[tdott]

1 stolen championship and fans cocky af rn
They are aero dynamics experts, cooling experts and engine experts in here.

Enjoy it. 👍

[F87source]

Originally Posted by M5Rick

Ah okay so it could still be fitted for race mode.

Maybe, I haven't heard much on the CCS and that might be the false part of the rumor I am not sure. But imo the cooling system wasn't the issue, its the floor stalling causing the porpoising. IIRC mercedes tried to fix this with intial skid plates so when the floor flexed down it could contact the track without damage but also act as a side skirt allowing for supreme sealing and thus alot of down force. However it caused the floor to stall so they added rear floor stays to stiffen the floor. But the issue still persists, so they have to solve that or else they will have to increase ride height and in turn lose alot of performance. How they will sove this I am not sure, but if they can't do it with suspension then they will likely need a new floor with a different geometry of the tunnels that are less suceptible to stalling.

Floor sealing would be important too, because the better you seal the floor the higher your car can ride.

[irunalot]

Merc will come back they are good at in season development. The car looks like it has serious potential. For something that looks that unsettled it's not that far off the pace.

[irunalot]

Info on the new RB upgrades

More day 3 upgrades

[F87source]

Originally Posted by irunalot

Merc will come back they are good at in season development. The car looks like it has serious potential. For something that looks that unsettled it's not that far off the pace.

Yeah I thought so too, if they are able to dial in the car the w13 would be seriously fast because it is right up there and it is not even remotely stable.


However how long will it take mercedes to do so? Because there are no more tests left, and now they will have to rely on free practice.

[NYG]

There's still a lot that could happen but as of right now I'm pretty confident that we can end up with

1. VER
2. LEC
3. HAM

Mercedes is really good at fixing their screw ups so this can change but their car looks like shit right now and if I didn't have CFD or wind tunnels available to me - fundamentally, their sidepod design isn't great.

[Killed by Death]

So, basically scHAM admits "It's the Car"

[F87source]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

So, basically scHAM admits "It's the Car"

IMO it is always the car, no win can win without a good car. Put max, Charles, lewis etc in a Haas and they don't get points.

[NYG]

Originally Posted by F87source

IMO it is always the car, no win can win without a good car. Put max, Charles, lewis etc in a Haas and they don't get points.

I don't know about that.

This years Haas has potential. I wouldn't be that shocked if they were fighting Alpine/McLaren at this point.

[F87source]

Originally Posted by NYG

I don't know about that.

This years Haas has potential. I wouldn't be that shocked if they were fighting Alpine/McLaren at this point.

I meant last years HAAS

[Blindside_137]

Originally Posted by NYG

I don't know about that.

This years Haas has potential. I wouldn't be that shocked if they were fighting Alpine/McLaren at this point.

Didn't mick go quicker today than he ran in qualifying last year? That's incredible for HAAS