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"Electric car 'sets huge cargo ship on fire in North Sea': One sailor dead and 23 evacuated from burning 18,500-ton container ship carrying 3,000 cars"
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ught-fire.html 25 EVs over 3000 veichles, that's roughly the 0,84 percent https://jalopnik.com/ev-suspected-as...ire-1850677592 |
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How many ICE car shipments do catch fire spontaneously vs the whole number of shipments? I don't think it's directly proportional to that 0,84%, if it makes sense, otherwise there would be roughly one cargo fire a day.. Yeah, it's the number of evs on a single shipment so it's just an assumption that it would translate to the hypotetical ICE/EVs shipment numbers if split up, but it won't be that far imho Last edited by PhaceN52; 07-26-2023 at 11:21 AM.. |
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I am not defending EV's as being safer, just waiting to see proof they aren't before I make a decision on it.
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U.S. safety regulators have opened an investigation into electric and hybrid vehicle batteries after five automakers issued recalls due to possible defects that could cause fires or stalling. https://www.cbsnews.com/news/nationa...eries-recalls/ All cars have electrical fires, EV's have battery fires (in addition to electrical fires). |
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Recall was initiated after .011% caught fire. Note that if instead of 16 catching fire it had been 1410 it would have been 1% of them. If you come up with any data that EV's are more dangerous than ICE's please post it. Quote:
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As I said in my previous post, you won't know when, you won't know where when an EV will erupt next in flames. |
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How many spontaneous gas tank fires have resulted in a recall? 0.011% > 0.0% Jaguar Recalls I-Pace EV After 8 Battery-Related Fires In The U.S. https://www.carscoops.com/2023/05/ja...es-in-the-u-s/ 8/6,367 = 0.12% . 0.12% > 0.011% > 0.0% Spontaneous battery combustion is a problem ICE's don't even have. Last edited by chad86tsi; 07-26-2023 at 12:11 PM.. |
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If you come up with any data that EV's are more dangerous than ICE's please post it. I am not defending EV's just waiting on some proof.
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Takata air bags only killed 24 people and hurt 300, but it required a worldwide recall of 67 million air bags. Was it not prevalent by your standards? Quote:
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To participate whataboutisim - Gas vs battery- may bring into question individual criterion, but it doesn't change the data or facts people use to make their decisions. Fact is Li-ion batteries present a risk not found in ICE's, and it's not insignificant. In the case of the I-pace, 1 in 800 have already burned, and it's still a young model. Wait for these to age a few more years. 100% of them are still under warranty. what happens when those start to expire? So when asked the question of this topic "Still want an EV?" That answer has a lot of reasons why people say "no". And here we are discussing these reasons. * had to add the Jaguar to the tally, it was not in the article mentioning 5 that I shared earlier. The total list is : General Motors, Mercedes-Benz, Hyundai, Stellantis, Volkswagen, and Jaguar. Last edited by chad86tsi; 07-26-2023 at 02:03 PM.. |
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Maybe I am an idiot and that EVs are just a big battery pack with a sheet metal laid on top of it, they still have an electric motor and a bunch of electronics to control them
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It's easy to think ''it will never happen to me'' when you buy or lease a new or used EV, the point I'm making is it may happen and if it ever did while driving you better be prepared to get out fast. |
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Rest of it is a lot of guesses on what might happen. Interesting thoughts, we'll see.
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I might get hit by lightning, bitten by a shark, die in a car accident, house fire or in an ICE fire. If I am in a fire I plan to get out fast, regardless of ICE, EV, or house.
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Good point on the gas station. Imagine what would happen today if someone came out with a nozzle pumping a liquid at 13 gallons a minute where just the fumes can explode and expected almost every person in the U.S. to do it correctly, not pull the nozzle out while continuing to hold the lever down, not smoking, paying attention. Good thing the internet wasn't around when all this happened as it is easy to see videos of gas station fires, accidents and people driving off with the nozzle still in the car. Best I can tell from the videos is there is crisis happening.
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I would expect to see gas tank recalls if they were spontaneously starting fires in people's homes and driveways, on the side of the road, or on transport ships and parking garages. That gas tanks are not having this problem stands in contrast to the EV fuel storage medium : Li-ion batteries. Quote:
EV poses a risk not found in an ICE platform. It can be scientifically explained and quantified, reproduced, measured (as in it really happens to innocent people), and there is no clear path to mitigation or prevention beyond "hope it doesn't happen to you", or "don't charge it and you will be fine". It is a risk that some are not comfortable with: spontaneous fire. Not only can it start itself on fire, but it can't be put out with conventional methods like conventional hydrocarbon fuel fires. It doesn't even need oxygen to burn once started. |
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