[Never_Enough]

Originally Posted by Digital.James

The Z07 package with carbon bits looks amazing, but I can't see myself driving that. You would never make it up some driveways. I would probably take mine sans carbon bits

If my C6 made it up my driveway, a C7 would.

I'll take one in orange. Too bad still no orange & they ditch Cyber Gray for that gray.

[hellrotm]

Originally Posted by Viktimize

Anyone I know that bought a ZR1 was around 120k. So I fully expect this Z06 to be right around the same thing when you walk out of the dealer with it. Hell, it could be topping out at 140k.

Did you or did you not watch the video about pricing?

If a full optioned new Z06 is under $100k. How the hell would someone be paying $120k walking out the dealer? Paying 20% sales tax, seriously what the hell are you talking about?

[CDM3DCT]

GM finally got it right!! I'm definitely inlove with this car. Stats are impressive and although I would also like a manual gearbox, their DCT is not an option I'm disgusted with. The fact that it's a V8 supefcharged monster makes it appealing with the fact that you don't give up the rumble of a V8 machine with the added benefit of a suitable blower system. Most of the M owners on this site would agree that we chase the supercharger dream for our E92s, well why even do it at this point when GM has taken a step forward to provide us with something that we want- in STOCK form!!

[pgviper]

Originally Posted by CDM3DCT

GM finally got it right!! I'm definitely inlove with this car. Stats are impressive and although I would also like a manual gearbox, their DCT is not an option I'm disgusted with. The fact that it's a V8 supefcharged monster makes it appealing with the fact that you don't give up the rumble of a V8 machine with the added benefit of a suitable blower system. Most of the M owners on this site would agree that we chase the supercharger dream for our E92s, well why even do it at this point when GM has taken a step forward to provide us with something that we want- in STOCK form!!

It comes in manual AND 8-speed auto.

JK but cliff notes:

- afford current z06, you can afford this
- power levels of current zr1
- performance better than current zr1
- manual and auto
- state of the art tech for the track

[Vigilante375]

From what I hear the 8L90E shifts faster than the DCT......like the PDK in the Porsche.

Not everyone has to jump on the bandwagon for something that seems to be the best when something can just be tweaked to be a bit better. I'm surprised no one is whining that they aren't using a smaller TT V8 or V6.....well, let me go re-read.

[MisterSkiMask]

Originally Posted by Vigilante375

From what I hear the 8L90E shifts faster than the DCT......like the PDK in the Porsche.

Thats what the press release says. Being an auto, I'm sure it will be cheaper to service/repair and more user friendly.

[Vigilante375]

Plus it handles the torque better. But we won't see the actual proof until the testers get to see what the 8L90E can do and what the C7 Z06 can do overall.

[rjd598]

Originally Posted by BlackJetE90

Did you or did you not watch the video about pricing?

If a full optioned new Z06 is under $100k. How the hell would someone be paying $120k walking out the dealer? Paying 20% sales tax, seriously what the hell are you talking about?

Probably dealer markups. Gay but true

[MisterSkiMask]

Originally Posted by rjd598

Probably dealer markups. Gay but true

Dealers will definitely be asking for stupid markups on the first cars, but that does not count in this discussion. People who pay more then MSRP are silly.

[Vigilante375]

And there will always be those people that have to HAVE the first of anything, no matter what the extra cost will be. I see the MSRP being in the $85k-$90k range for the C7 Z06.

Dealers will always have a "market adjustment" then when the cars are out for a number of months then they'll start asking for MSRP. Every time I see a car with that "adjustment", I just laugh and wonder what idiot would pay that.

[ep_83]

Originally Posted by Vigilante375

And there will always be those people that have to HAVE the first of anything, no matter what the extra cost will be. I see the MSRP being in the $85k-$90k range for the C7 Z06.

Dealers will always have a "market adjustment" then when the cars are out for a number of months then they'll start asking for MSRP. Every time I see a car with that "adjustment", I just laugh and wonder what idiot would pay that.

That's exactly where I see the MSRP being.

Tbh as bad ass as this is I'd be perfectly content with a regular C7.

[rjd598]

Originally Posted by MisterSkiMask

Dealers will definitely be asking for stupid markups on the first cars, but that does not count in this discussion. People who pay more then MSRP are silly.

They're more than silly they just have no patience or not big enough balls to fight back with the dealership and call them out on their stupidity. If the dealer doesn't budge fine, but I would make fun of them like crazy

[Ezio]

Originally Posted by Vigilante375

From what I hear the 8L90E shifts faster than the DCT......like the PDK in the Porsche.

Not everyone has to jump on the bandwagon for something that seems to be the best when something can just be tweaked to be a bit better. I'm surprised no one is whining that they aren't using a smaller TT V8 or V6.....well, let me go re-read.

because this is a corvette not a BMW. its supercharged or bust. no corvette owner wants a turbo to suck the sound out of there engine!

[Vigilante375]

Yea but the general complaint these past few months, for GM cars, is why not DTC? Why still use the ancient pushrod, gas guzzling V8? Everyone else is using turbo'd V6/I6 that are more efficient and make better power while being connected to a DCT!

I'm glad GM made a auto that isn't a DCT and, though they say, shifts faster than a DCT....I can't wait to see if it does and how it holds up to abuse.

[8k3]

Originally Posted by Vigilante375

Yea but the general complaint these past few months, for GM cars, is why not DTC? Why still use the ancient pushrod, gas guzzling V8? Everyone else is using turbo'd V6/I6 that are more efficient and make better power while being connected to a DCT!

I'm glad GM made a auto that isn't a DCT and, though they say, shifts faster than a DCT....I can't wait to see if it does and how it holds up to abuse.

It's interesting you say this because in the mid 80's GM changed the game with the Buick Grand National using a turbo charged V6 outperforming every muscle V8 out there. Interesting they are not going this route. Personally I love a V8 so no complaints on my end but a V6 is very capable (GTR, hell even the orginal Grand National pushed insane numbers when modded).

[swanson]

Originally Posted by Vigilante375

Yea but the general complaint these past few months, for GM cars, is why not DTC? Why still use the ancient pushrod, gas guzzling V8? Everyone else is using turbo'd V6/I6 that are more efficient and make better power while being connected to a DCT!

I'm glad GM made a auto that isn't a DCT and, though they say, shifts faster than a DCT....I can't wait to see if it does and how it holds up to abuse.

First, no corvette owner wants a 6 cylinder. That would be an abomination. A cruel joke. That "ancient" pushrod is as up to date as anything out there while also being lighter then most 6 cylinders. It makes tons on power all over the rev range instead of being gutless down low. It also is very fuel efficient. I used to get 28mpg in my Z06 cruising on the highway at 75mph.

[MediaArtist]

Originally Posted by Ezio

because this is a corvette not a BMW. its supercharged or bust. no corvette owner wants a turbo to suck the sound out of there engine!

To be honest, a lot of BMW owners don't either, but we really don't have a choice in that matter. The new M5 sounds like it's been gutted compared to the previous generation. Very sad.

[pgviper]

Originally Posted by Vigilante375

Yea but the general complaint these past few months, for GM cars, is why not DTC? Why still use the ancient pushrod, gas guzzling V8? Everyone else is using turbo'd V6/I6 that are more efficient and make better power while being connected to a DCT!

I'm glad GM made a auto that isn't a DCT and, though they say, shifts faster than a DCT....I can't wait to see if it does and how it holds up to abuse.

Corvette LS3
Weight - 415 lbs
Power - 430 hp
Torque - 424 lb-ft
Efficiency -
16 MPG City
26 MPG HWY
19 MPG Comb
Regular Gasoline

Corvette LS7
Weight - 458lbs
Power - 505 hp
Torque - 470 lb-ft
Efficiency -
15 MPG City
24 MPG HWY
18 MPG Comb
Regular Gasoline


BMW S65
Weight - 445 lbs
Power - 414 hp
Torque - 295 lb-ft
Efficiency -
14 MPG City
20 MPG HWY
16 MPG Comb
Premium Gasoline

Ancient ... maybe, but much more efficient economically, power to weight, and mpg.

Chevrolet makes one of the best V8 engines around. The new LT1 makes 465 hp, still uses pushrod and gets over 30 mpg. Thats better than the 6 cylinder Carrera. This thing will also probably get high 20's, pushing over 620 hp and torque and avoid gas guzzler tax. Try purchasing any sports car that can match the performance of the z51 stingray or z06 and get numbers like that...

It just won't happen.

[Ezio]

Originally Posted by MediaArtist

To be honest, a lot of BMW owners don't either, but we really don't have a choice in that matter. The new M5 sounds like it's been gutted compared to the previous generation. Very sad.

you do have a choice. buy a different brand.

you think the F10 sound is bad. wait for the M4.

[Ezio]

Originally Posted by pgviper

Corvette LS3
Weight - 415 lbs
Power - 430 hp
Torque - 424 lb-ft
Efficiency -
16 MPG City
26 MPG HWY
19 MPG Comb
Regular Gasoline

Corvette LS7
Weight - 458lbs
Power - 505 hp
Torque - 470 lb-ft
Efficiency -
15 MPG City
24 MPG HWY
18 MPG Comb
Regular Gasoline


BMW S65
Weight - 445 lbs
Power - 414 hp
Torque - 295 lb-ft
Efficiency -
14 MPG City
20 MPG HWY
16 MPG Comb
Premium Gasoline

Ancient ... maybe, but much more efficient economically, power to weight, and mpg.

Chevrolet makes one of the best V8 engines around. The new LT1 makes 465 hp, still uses pushrod and gets over 30 mpg. Thats better than the 6 cylinder Carrera. This thing will also probably get high 20's, pushing over 620 hp and torque and avoid gas guzzler tax. Try purchasing any sports car that can match the performance of the z51 stingray or z06 and get numbers like that...

It just won't happen.

i think people hate push rod V8s because they are push rod V8s. simple as that.

If GM can make a engine that makes a lot of power and is just as efficient as the rest. Then what ever use the pushrod. they have proved it still can WORK.

[BavarianN54]

Originally Posted by pgviper

Corvette LS3
Weight - 415 lbs
Power - 430 hp
Torque - 424 lb-ft
Efficiency -
16 MPG City
26 MPG HWY
19 MPG Comb
Regular Gasoline

Corvette LS7
Weight - 458lbs
Power - 505 hp
Torque - 470 lb-ft
Efficiency -
15 MPG City
24 MPG HWY
18 MPG Comb
Regular Gasoline


BMW S65
Weight - 445 lbs
Power - 414 hp
Torque - 295 lb-ft
Efficiency -
14 MPG City
20 MPG HWY
16 MPG Comb
Premium Gasoline

Ancient ... maybe, but much more efficient economically, power to weight, and mpg.

Chevrolet makes one of the best V8 engines around. The new LT1 makes 465 hp, still uses pushrod and gets over 30 mpg. Thats better than the 6 cylinder Carrera. This thing will also probably get high 20's, pushing over 620 hp and torque and avoid gas guzzler tax. Try purchasing any sports car that can match the performance of the z51 stingray or z06 and get numbers like that...

It just won't happen.

You got that right. The old Chevy smallblock is still a force to be reckoned with. Besides all you mentioned the engine also is a smaller, not as tall package and has a lower center of gravity with the cam in the block, allowing for the sleek hoodline the Corvette gets. One of the reasons the Corvette has dominated on the racetrack over the BMW's, ALMS comes to mind off the top of my head. Corvette has been and will continue to be a frontrunner in sports car performance.

[MediaArtist]

Originally Posted by Ezio

you do have a choice. buy a different brand.

you think the F10 sound is bad. wait for the M4.

Well yeah I'm talking to the BMW diehards here (I do buy other brands).

Also I've sort of heard the M4, they revved the engine at the concept reveal, and there are a few videos of it going around the ring. It does not sound great, just like the M5/M6.