[cjwb1984]

These bikers on that day and most probably a lot of days acted like idiots. I hate these speed racers wannabe, if you want to go haul your inner Nicky Hayden. GO TO THE TRACK. They knew what they're doing. I hope the DA charged all of these people to the fullest extent of the law in NY. As for that happening, we have an incompetent NYC DA, and I don't think it will happen. But that's a subject for a different day.

For that person who hanged out with these motorbike group on that day, and was badly injured. I don't feel sorry for you. I feel sorry for what your actions did to your family. You paid for the consequences of your actions dearly. Hanging out with these people. Knowing clearly what your going to do in the public.

Your an idiot who put yourself in that position, and put your family into the position it is today. For the family, blame your idiot son, husband for putting you and the whole family in this whole mess.

[f30nynj]

Originally Posted by kscarrol

But as an earlier poster noted, RR driver better lawyer up big and fast. This is going to be expensive experience for him, one way or another...

He drives a RR, he can afford a pretty good lawyer. That video will help him at all costs. in a grand jury trial he will be walking out clean.

[kihun]

These gang of bikers shouldn't be riding on all lanes in first place. I used to be a hard core biker myself, had about 6 different bikes. Usually 6 or more riders are asking for trouble. but driver was an idiot too. I understand he has a kid and a wife inside the vehicle. if you were smart and was really thinking about his wife, he would back away from the crowd long time ago and not tailgating the fuck out of bikes.. tailgate is illegal and it should be extra illegal to tailgate bikers.. with all that being said, both are at their own fault. I feel bad for a person who is in coma and possibly handicapped.. stupid ass people..

[Sam335ix]

Originally Posted by kihun

These gang of bikers shouldn't be riding on all lanes in first place. I used to be a hard core biker myself, had about 6 different bikes. Usually 6 or more riders are asking for trouble. but driver was an idiot too. I understand he has a kid and a wife inside the vehicle. if you were smart and was really thinking about his wife, he would back away from the crowd long time ago and not tailgating the fuck out of bikes.. tailgate is illegal and it should be extra illegal to tailgate bikers.. with all that being said, both are at their own fault. I feel bad for a person who is in coma and possibly handicapped.. stupid ass people..

Tailgate? They surrounded him, not everyone rides bikes nor understands the laws behind it. This is on the bikers and the driver panicked. Show me an average joe that has never been in a stress life/death situation and I ll show you a person with panic and fight or flight! It's a natural reaction. F those bikers.

[OOO]

Originally Posted by kihun

These gang of bikers shouldn't be riding on all lanes in first place. I used to be a hard core biker myself, had about 6 different bikes. Usually 6 or more riders are asking for trouble. but driver was an idiot too. I understand he has a kid and a wife inside the vehicle. if you were smart and was really thinking about his wife, he would back away from the crowd long time ago and not tailgating the fuck out of bikes.. tailgate is illegal and it should be extra illegal to tailgate bikers.. with all that being said, both are at their own fault. I feel bad for a person who is in coma and possibly handicapped.. stupid ass people..

Lmao "tailgate". Can't tell if you're serious. He was SURROUNDED. How the fuck can you not be "tailgating" in that situation?

[kscarrol]

Originally Posted by f30nynj

He drives a RR, he can afford a pretty good lawyer. That video will help him at all costs. in a grand jury trial he will be walking out clean.

I agree as far as criminal charges are concerned but in a civil lawsuit, just going to trial to defend oneself will be expensive. And should the biker find a sympathetic jury, the RR driver could still find himself facing a significant civil penalty. I totally think the RR driver was acting in self defense but I'm just highlighting the realities of our lawsuit happy society and how it is easy for an attorney to paint the RR driver as an overly aggressive 1%'er who should provide for the bikers long term care...

[srezzo]

Originally Posted by kscarrol

I agree as far as criminal charges are concerned but in a civil lawsuit, just going to trial to defend oneself will be expensive. And should the biker find a sympathetic jury, the RR driver could still find himself facing a significant civil penalty. I totally think the RR driver was acting in self defense but I'm just highlighting the realities of our lawsuit happy society and how it is easy for an attorney to paint the RR driver as an overly aggressive 1%'er who should provide for the bikers long term care...

I'm not a lawyer, but I'm wondering if the RR driver could have a civil suit of his own. Couldn't he say that the experience of the bikers surrounding his vehicle and breaking windows/slashing tires have caused some emotional damage to him and his family? Not to mention that they cut his face so he'll be reminded of the incident by the scar he has to see every time he looks in the mirror? Any lawyers on here?

[Rohardi]

I cant deal with anyone defending these idiot on the bikes any more.

1. RR calls police to report erratic driving of the biker gang on the hight way.
2. The reaction of the biker gang was to FORCIBLY STOP THE RANGE ROVER BY SLOWING DOWN AND STOPPING IN FRONT OF HIS VEHICLE. At this point they are acting in a threatening manner.
3. The RR hits the motorcycle when the motorcycle tries to force the RR to stop.
4. Once stopped, the bikers attempt to forcibly gain access to the RR.
5. RR take off and drives over bikes/bikers in an attempt to protect/defend him self and his family.
6. The biker's made a conscious decision to stop the RR and opened the door to the situation they found them selves in.
7. ALL of the biker's are as guilty as the ones who attempted to gain access to the vehicle just by their participation in stopping the RR.
END OF STORY.

[F32Fleet]

RR is going to pay out big bucks for the biker who was run over (paralyzed) while attempting to attend the biker who was hit by the RR.

The RR could be cited for not keeping a safe distance. If he braked harder then bikers behind him may have hit the rear of the vehicle. That would've been the best thing.

RR will loose the civil suit or spend a ton of $$ to be found not liable.


The biker who broke the driver side window is lucky. If he tried that in Georgia there's a high probability that he would've been shot dead by the RR driver.

[Titanium3er]

Originally Posted by kscarrol

I agree as far as criminal charges are concerned but in a civil lawsuit, just going to trial to defend oneself will be expensive. And should the biker find a sympathetic jury, the RR driver could still find himself facing a significant civil penalty. I totally think the RR driver was acting in self defense but I'm just highlighting the realities of our lawsuit happy society and how it is easy for an attorney to paint the RR driver as an overly aggressive 1%'er who should provide for the bikers long term care...

His auto insurance will pay most or all legal fees. He should have relatively high liability limits based on the vehicle he drives. Hopefully he has an umbrella as well if he has significant assets. I don't think it will end up being as bad as you think.

[kscarrol]

Originally Posted by Titanium3er

His auto insurance will pay most or all legal fees. He should have relatively high liability limits based on the vehicle he drives. Hopefully he has an umbrella as well if he has significant assets. I don't think it will end up being as bad as you think.

You are correct, he should have an umbrella. Hope for his sake he does! Even if those policies pay most of the up front expenses, his insurance rates are going to sky rocket.

[Maestro]

Originally Posted by srezzo

I'm not a lawyer, but I'm wondering if the RR driver could have a civil suit of his own. Couldn't he say that the experience of the bikers surrounding his vehicle and breaking windows/slashing tires have caused some emotional damage to him and his family? Not to mention that they cut his face so he'll be reminded of the incident by the scar he has to see every time he looks in the mirror? Any lawyers on here?

Yeah sue people who have nothing that always works well, part of the reason these people act as they do is due to the fact they have very little to lose. It will cost you more than what they have to forfeit to you. Unless you want use beat up motorcycle.

Many people did dumb things when they were young. I use to be reckless myself until one day someone cut me off and had to slam on the brakes the whole time looking in the rear view mirror watching to see if someone going to hit me and the only thing I saw was my son in his car seat. At that point I realize it not work driving fast and dangerous. If you notice most all of these people involved in this situation are not kids they are older people with kids who should know better.

[Maestro]

Originally Posted by Titanium3er

His auto insurance will pay most or all legal fees. He should have relatively high liability limits based on the vehicle he drives. Hopefully he has an umbrella as well if he has significant assets. I don't think it will end up being as bad as you think.

Wrong, car insurance will not cover a situation like this and you making assumption this person has all right overage, most people do not. I personally had my limits low, until my son began driving and I pumped them up since I know if he ever got in an accident people like suing new drivers like teens.

[kevinbahnz]

GTA IV jJust came out last week , can the RR driver blame the game? or Mad Max the movie. Cant wait for the trial to begin and see how the race war turn out

[Titanium3er]

Originally Posted by srezzo

I'm not a lawyer, but I'm wondering if the RR driver could have a civil suit of his own. Couldn't he say that the experience of the bikers surrounding his vehicle and breaking windows/slashing tires have caused some emotional damage to him and his family? Not to mention that they cut his face so he'll be reminded of the incident by the scar he has to see every time he looks in the mirror? Any lawyers on here?

Not a lawyer but a former insurance adjuster who has seen stuff like this before. You can sue for anything. The RR driver absolutely has a case to sue civility since he was harassed and beaten in front of his family. Question is are there any assets to go after.

[Titanium3er]

Originally Posted by Maestro

Wrong, car insurance will not cover a situation like this and you making assumption this person has all right overage, most people do not. I personally had my limits low, until my son began driving and I pumped them up since I know if he ever got in an accident people like suing new drivers like teens.

No my friend you are wrong. What qualifications do you have to make a judgement on this? As a former insurance adjuster I have seen situations similar to this. There will likely be coverage. It doesn't sound like they are going after him criminally and it can be argued that his intent was to get away from a dangerous situation, not purposefully injure bikers.

You are right though that I'm making an assumption that he has auto insurance. I think that is a valid assumption in this case based on the car he was driving and the state that he lives in

Edit: Even if the drivers insurance company wants to argue that his actions were intentional and coverage should be excluded, it would be a bad business decision to do so. Based on the reactions I've seen, most people sympathize greatly with this guy trying to keep his family safe. If they denied coverage there would be a swift backlash and based on the 6 million YouTube views and national coverage that backlash would be severe.

[Mr Tonka]

Originally Posted by Maestro

Wrong, car insurance will not cover a situation like this and you making assumption this person has all right overage, most people do not. I personally had my limits low, until my son began driving and I pumped them up since I know if he ever got in an accident people like suing new drivers like teens.

Your limits shouldn't be determined by what kind of exposure you have but rather your net worth. If you are worth $500k you better have a $500k umbrella.

The first thing an ambulance chaser does is check to see if the other party has any financial worth. That's what they base their decision on to file suite.

People with no money don't decide to sue anyone. They may want to, but their free consultation with an attorney is what makes the decision. It costs people money to sue, so if an attorney doesn't think they can win the case for 40% of the proceeds, they won't take it. Can't afford to hire a lawyer, 99 times out of 100, you don't sue.

However, since INS companies would almost always rather settle than go to trial, attorneys usually file suit with intentions of settling for the limits of the policy. Unless the policy holder is worth much more than the policy limits.

To your specific situation, you should cut your offspring out of your policy. Pay the extra premium to have him get his own policy. This gives you no exposure and saves your teen from getting sued since they won't go after his xbox. What my father did for me was get a quote to add me to his policy, then had me get my own insurance. He paid the portion of my INS that it would have cost him to add me to his policy. I had to pay the difference. Life lesson for me and no extra exposure for him.

[kscarrol]

^^ Spot on! Again, hope the RR driver is properly insured...

[Titanium3er]

Originally Posted by Mr Tonka

Your limits shouldn't be determined by what kind of exposure you have but rather your net worth. If you are worth $500k you better have a $500k umbrella.

The first thing an ambulance chaser does is check to see if the other party has any financial worth. That's what they base their decision on to file suite.

People with no money don't decide to sue anyone. They may want to, but their free consultation with an attorney is what makes the decision. It costs people money to sue, so if an attorney doesn't think they can win the case for 40% of the proceeds, they won't take it. Can't afford to hire a lawyer, 99 times out of 100, you don't sue.

However, since INS companies would almost always rather settle than go to trial, attorneys usually file suit with intentions of settling for the limits of the policy. Unless the policy holder is worth much more than the policy limits.

Absolutely right.

[Bamaben]

I ride a bike and I don't think any of those bikers if put in the RR situation would do anything any differently.
They must realize they gave the man only one reasonable option: to mow over anything in the way.

[Mr Tonka]

^^ that's true. Also interesting question is what the wife of the injured biker thinks should have been the RR's course of action in that situation..... say, if her and her kid were in the car.

[sanf]

Whatever happens at the end. There will probably a riot in NYC one way or the other....