The official "Ask a cop/deputy anything!" thread

4Hockey4 · 05-03-2021, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Littlebear

It has been found legal, as a 1A right of communication, sort of like using your horn.
But then, somehow, Virginia won't let you use radar detectors.

I was in Maryland, over there picking up beer since they sold until 2am lol

Sedan_Clan · 05-03-2021, 05:36 PM

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I got pulled late 80's on a bridge over 495 doing that, and it was police coming the other way, and he turned around me and pulled me. I asked him what I did, and he said flashed my beams. I laughed....he wasn't amused so I told him I hit them by accident.

He let me go.

It has been found legal, as a 1A right of communication, sort of like using your horn.
But then, somehow, Virginia won't let you use radar detectors.

Using your horn has rules, just like using your brights. By law, I can cite you for using your horn for anything other than emergency purposes (...27001 CVC). Obviously it's something that an officer rarely does, BUT......they can. I have used it before as reason to stop a car whose driver I wanted to check out. I've also used 22517 CVC (...vehicle door impeding the roadway) to check out a gangster parked in front of a gangster pad. The law states that you can only have the driver/passenger side door(s) open long enough to ingress/egress the vehicle if that open door impedes the roadway for other vehicles. Knowing the vehicle code provides a myriad of reasons to conduct investigatory stops.

Littlebear · 05-03-2021, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Using your horn has rules, just like using your brights. By law, I can cite you for using your horn for anything other than emergency purposes (...27001 CVC). Obviously it's something that an officer rarely does, BUT......they can.

I have asked the parking police in Brklyn if they can pls ticket for horns.

Sedan_Clan · 05-03-2021, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Littlebear

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Using your horn has rules, just like using your brights. By law, I can cite you for using your horn for anything other than emergency purposes (...27001 CVC). Obviously it's something that an officer rarely does, BUT......they can.

I have asked the parking police in Brklyn if they can pls ticket for horns.

We have a vehicle code for that too (...22651.5 CVC). It's under our storage and authority code section.

Littlebear · 05-03-2021, 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Using your horn has rules, just like using your brights. By law, I can cite you for using your horn for anything other than emergency purposes (...27001 CVC). ....

Well, this is why we have judges to interpret laws!
I would think a little "tap tap" of horn or lights would be hard to convict in court. The danger is negligible for sure. The driver could plead he was warning others of a slowdown ahead.

Sedan_Clan · 05-03-2021, 05:58 PM

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Using your horn has rules, just like using your brights. By law, I can cite you for using your horn for anything other than emergency purposes (...27001 CVC). ....

Well, this is why we have judges to interpret laws!
I would think a little "tap tap" of horn or lights would be hard to convict in court. The danger is negligible for sure. The driver could plead he was warning others of a slowdown ahead.

Your scope is myopic dude. The point is to have cause for the stop. Do you really think we care about the horn?!?! We are after more.

4Hockey4 · 05-03-2021, 05:59 PM

meh technically yard sales are illegal (more a tax/permit issue not a traffic cop issue)

Sedan_Clan · 05-03-2021, 06:00 PM

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meh technically yard sales are illegal (more a tax/permit issue not a traffic cop issue)

Yard sales fall under code enforcement most of the time (...just like overgrown weeds in your front yard or inoperable vehicles in your driveway), and that varies city to city, county to county. Patrol officers don't deal with that stuff. If you receive a visit or citation from a Code Enforcement officer, it's because your neighbors are complaining to the city/county.

Littlebear · 05-03-2021, 06:02 PM

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Your scope is myopic dude. The point is to have cause for the stop. Do you really think we care about the horn?!?! We are after more.

Buck, do you pull for air fresheners hanging on the mirror so you can strip search? Where does it stop?
What of 'probable cause'?

cmyx6go · 05-03-2021, 06:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Lady Jane

The hang nails and paper cuts crowd will never get it. When there's an event in a community, they'll dispatch a whole bunch of counsellors to deal with the trauma. " Look at me, I'm embracing someone on camera".

In the meantime, you don't see the same type of coverage of First Responders, soaked in blood and guts trying to put people together.

So, yes...Gallows humor saves a lot of us from spending $200/hour to deal issues with a Shrink. We still have to go to work the next day.

I wasn’t sure where to put this but your post is a perfect segue. Did anyone watch 102 minutes that changed America? It was on the history channel yesterday. It detailed Sept 11 from when the first plane hit. They interviewed people that got out of the towers. With blow by blow accounts. Then there was video footage of people on the street as it was unfolding including first responders Chilling! My intention is not to make this political. So many gave their lives running in when everyone was running out. I can’t believe it will be 20 years soon. How far we have come from LEO being heroes. It’s sad. We need heroes.

Sedan_Clan · 05-03-2021, 06:04 PM

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Your scope is myopic dude. The point is to have cause for the stop. Do you really think we care about the horn?!?! We are after more.

Buck, do you pull for air fresheners hanging on the mirror so you can strip search? Where does it stop?

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Your scope is myopic dude. The point is to have cause for the stop. Do you really think we care about the horn?!?! We are after more.

Buck, do you pull for air fresheners hanging on the mirror so you can strip search? Where does it stop?

I sure will use 26708(a)(2) CVC to effect stops. I use EVERYTHING within my legal authority to check out vehicles. It's my job to know what I can enforce. Shame on you if you don't.

Murf993 · 05-03-2021, 06:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Your scope is myopic dude. The point is to have cause for the stop. Do you really think we care about the horn?!?! We are after more.

I was always happy to see a beer cap on the floor of a car, gave me the grounds to search the car for open liquor.....and anything else we found during the search.

Littlebear · 05-03-2021, 06:09 PM

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I sure will use 26708(a)(2) CVC to effect stops. I use EVERYTHING within my legal authority to check out vehicles. It's my job to know what I can enforce. Shame on you if you don't.

Oh, "26708(a)(2) CVC". Well now....

Sedan_Clan · 05-03-2021, 06:09 PM

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Your scope is myopic dude. The point is to have cause for the stop. Do you really think we care about the horn?!?! We are after more.

I was always happy to see a beer cap on the floor of a car, gave me the grounds to search the car for open liquor.....and anything else we found during the search.

Ahhhh yes. Same here. Plain sight is a wonderful, wonderful thing.

Littlebear · 05-03-2021, 06:10 PM

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I was always happy to see a beer cap on the floor of a car, gave me the grounds to search the car for open liquor.....and anything else we found during the search.

...and you wonder why some don't want cops near them?

Murf993 · 05-03-2021, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

I sure will use 26708(a)(2) CVC to effect stops. I use EVERYTHING within my legal authority to check out vehicles. It's my job to know what I can enforce. Shame on you if you don't.

Criminals can't help but draw attention to themselves.

4Hockey4 · 05-03-2021, 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by Sedan_Clan

Yard sales fall under code enforcement most of the time (...just like overgrown weeds in your front yard or inoperable vehicles in your driveway), and that varies city to city, county to county. Patrol officers don't deal with that stuff. If you receive a visit or citation from a Code Enforcement officer, it's because your neighbors are complaining to the city/county.

Yea good buddy of mine is a Sheriff and we had a laugh about a few cases. Bigger issue is with WHAT you are selling, old things with bad paint, dangerous kid toys etc.

Murf993 · 05-03-2021, 06:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Littlebear

...and you wonder why some don't want cops near them?

I don't wonder at all.

Sedan_Clan · 05-03-2021, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Littlebear

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I was always happy to see a beer cap on the floor of a car, gave me the grounds to search the car for open liquor.....and anything else we found during the search.

...and you wonder why some don't want cops near them?

So a person breaks the law.....and it's the officer's fault?!? You exemplify the problem with some aspects of society. What reason can you personally articulate why an open container should've been in the vehicle in the first place?!?

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I sure will use 26708(a)(2) CVC to effect stops. I use EVERYTHING within my legal authority to check out vehicles. It's my job to know what I can enforce. Shame on you if you don't.

Criminals can't help but draw attention to themselves.

....and they get it, in droves.

Littlebear · 05-03-2021, 06:15 PM

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Originally Posted by Murf993

Criminals can't help but draw attention to themselves.

When most everyone is a criminal, we will have enforcement problems. I don't spit but I do jay walk like most in the People's Republic of Brooklyn do.

Sedan_Clan · 05-03-2021, 06:16 PM

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...and you wonder why some don't want cops near them?

I don't wonder at all.

Neither do I.

In other news, I have to work the DUI checkpoint Friday night. I'm hoping we take a bunch of impaired drivers off of the road that night. We'll even have a few units hidden on side streets to catch the runners. It's going to be a good time.

4Hockey4 · 05-03-2021, 06:17 PM

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When most everyone is a criminal, we will have enforcement problems. I don't spit but I do jay walk like most in the People's Republic of Brooklyn do.

meh call your officials. Police enforce the law, they don't set it.

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