[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

hmmm maybe not very likely.
Lewis is on the payroll of IWC, a watch brand from the Richemont group (one of Swatch' biggest competitors).

Maybe IWC/Richemont saw the legal oppertunity and set up Lewis' henchmen to irritate one of their competitors in court...who knows

I was being a little of course he can have any watch he desires from iwc collection. With Kimi's $1M diamond encrusted example HAM probably has a special just for him.

[Admiral]

A Mickey Mouse model

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Admiral

A Mickey Mouse model

Yes mate . HAM would love it !

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by M5theonlyone

He'll be a sad man sitting there on his own for not taking the challenge.

My friend regarding the title of this thread , it should be like :

"Why the car is just more than Lewis Hamilton"

[SenorFunkyPants]

Quite an interesting video from Autosport.

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

My friend regarding the title of this thread , it should be like :

"Why the car is just more than Lewis Hamilton"

Originally Posted by M5theonlyone

Exactly, in more (hidden) ways than we know with help from the black/red underpants man in .. FIA/MercInternational Assistance.

There are none as blind as those who will not see.

From the official Formula One website. Sir Lewis has been off the charts and breaking hearts in F1 since 2007. Even Max made his way into the list of victims. More than once. LOL!!!

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...GnFjydTA2.html

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by MKSixer

There are none as blind as those who will not see.

From the official Formula One website. Sir Lewis has been off the charts and breaking hearts in F1 since 2007. Even Max made his way into the list of victims. More than once. LOL!!!

https://www.formula1.com/en/latest/a...GnFjydTA2.html

Let us NOT forget my friend , The Merc shows a star and IS actually the star .

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Let us NOT forget my friend , The Merc shows a star and IS actually the star .

Nope.

Lewis Hamilton at McLaren:

Total McLaren Poles - 30
Fernando Alonso Poles - 2
Jenson Button Poles -1
Hekki Kovaleinen Poles -1
Sir Lewis Hamilton Poles - 26

It isn't the car. Any real F1 fan knows this, my friend.

[HFW003]

Originally Posted by MKSixer

Nope.

Lewis Hamilton at McLaren:

Total McLaren Poles - 30
Fernando Alonso Poles - 2
Jenson Button Poles -1
Hekki Kovaleinen Poles -1
Sir Lewis Hamilton Poles - 26

It isn't the car. Any real F1 fan knows this, my friend.

Can you two stop flirting

As someone who doesn’t particularly like either HAM or VER allow me to be the voice of reason.

As you all know any success is due to both the driver and the car/bike. As was recently shown by RUS the Merc is a beast of a car BUT HAM can certainly drive as well!

Peace.

H

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by HFW003

Can you two stop flirting

As someone who doesn’t particularly like either HAM or VER allow me to be the voice of reason.

As you all know any success is due to both the driver and the car/bike. As was recently shown by RUS the Merc is a beast of a car BUT HAM can certainly drive as well!

Peace.

H

Partially true. Max has no comparator to any driver of worth save RIC. HAM has dusted 3 WDCs 5 of 7 times he's raced them. Head to head, in the same car. No one else has that type of record.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by MKSixer

Nope.

Lewis Hamilton at McLaren:

Total McLaren Poles - 30
Fernando Alonso Poles - 2
Jenson Button Poles -1
Hekki Kovaleinen Poles -1
Sir Lewis Hamilton Poles - 26

It isn't the car. Any real F1 fan knows this, my friend.

Well my friend , real F1 fans saw how he ran in the Merc .

Russell was a driver with zero (0) driver points ,and the season was almost over .
But once in the Merc , he was ballistic fast !

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Well my friend , real F1 fans saw how he ran in the Merc .

Russell was a driver with zero (0) driver points ,and the season was almost over .
But once in the Merc , he was ballistic fast !

McLaren 2007 to 2012 Wins: 34
Hekki Kovaleinen Wins: 1
Fernando Alonso Wins: 4
Jenson Button Wins: 8
Sir Lewis Hamilton Wins: 21

Lewis had 61.76% of all McLaren Wins and 86.67% of the Pole Positions.

But it's still the car, my friend. Sure it is.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by MKSixer

McLaren 2007 to 2012 Wins: 34
Hekki Kovaleinen Wins: 1
Fernando Alonso Wins: 4
Jenson Button Wins: 8
Sir Lewis Hamilton Wins: 21

Lewis had 61.76% of all McLaren Wins and 86.67% of the Pole Positions.

But it's still the car, my friend. Sure it is.

Sure it is the car . That's why MAX pulled a gap of 10-15 sec. on the Mercs .
In the last 7 laps he even lifted the pedal ...We didn't saw that for years !
MAX had the fastest car in Abu-Dhabi . That's why he won the race .
If the RB16 was so fast from the beginning of the season ....7ewis would be nowhere !

Fast car + The driver skills = The winner of the race
The driver skills + Slow car = The loser of the race

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Sure it is the car . That's why MAX pulled a gap of 10-15 sec. on the Mercs .
In the last 7 laps he even lifted the pedal ...We didn't saw that for years !
MAX had the fastest car in Abu-Dhabi . That's why he won the race .
If the RB16 was so fast from the beginning of the season ....7ewis would be nowhere !

Fast car + The driver skills = The winner of the race
The driver skills + Slow car = The loser of the race

The Mercs were on the back foot with reliability challenges. Watch what happens in March.

You still haven't addressed Sir Lewis's records when he hasn't had the best car. Or Turkey. Max had the fastest car and got killed.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by MKSixer

The Mercs were on the back foot with reliability challenges. Watch what happens in March.

You still haven't addressed Sir Lewis's records when he hasn't had the best car. Or Turkey. Max had the fastest car and got killed.

I agree . MAX was killed there in Turkey .
But why ?
MAX was killed in Checo's slipstream in the slippery wet by the lack of downforce .
That's why MAX was faster than the Pink Merc .
I already said at least 10 times on here , that MAX has to run "always" the whole season with a very low down force setup .
But why ?
The very low downforce setup is actually a "COMPENSATION" to get a higher top speed .
By this RB struggled the whole season to get a better balance and traction .
In fact , MAX's car was unpredictable...
But why ?
That's pretty simple my friend , there is "NO" other way to split or beat the Mercs because they run a higher top speed .

I really hope for Checo that he can handle the RB16-B with such a low downforce setup .
As we know , all the previous teammates from MAX failed to drive the RB16 this way .
That's why Albon was always slower than MAX ..

[yco]

Originally Posted by MKSixer

McLaren 2007 to 2012 Wins: 34
Hekki Kovaleinen Wins: 1
Fernando Alonso Wins: 4
Jenson Button Wins: 8
Sir Lewis Hamilton Wins: 21

Lewis had 61.76% of all McLaren Wins and 86.67% of the Pole Positions.

But it's still the car, my friend. Sure it is.

MK numbers are clear universally but remember the floppy disks?
there was a switch for read only.. if its on, you were not able to save anything new in it.. thus even after 30-60 years its memory is the same.. only if it can still works as you know.. and even if it does work its obsolete anyway and it wont be enough for todays data world to save something new in it..

i learnt about Max fans from here mostly.. and unfortunately 2 friends over here makes me remember read-only switched floppy discs.. that has a pic of Max depicted as a "God" or something but nothing else in it..

no matter how many times you try a window pops up.. not enough memory or the format is not supported.. and that disc is orange..

[SenorFunkyPants]

Verstappen in the Mercedes might be as fast as Hamilton on a single lap...I don't think he would be but for the sake of argument lets say its true.
If they were Merc team mates and given exactly the same equipment and identical pits/tyre strategies (as Bottas is) then at the end of a season all else being equal Hamilton would be ahead on every metric.
For these reasons:
Hamilton is innately the more talented natural driver (see his rookie year).
Hamilton makes almost no mistakes while Verstappen makes many (see any year)
Hamilton is a far better driver in the wet. (see most wet races)
Hamilton is a smarter racer. (see every race).

The 2020 Turkey race perfectly demonstrated every single one of the above.
While Verstappen (with a seconds per lap car advantage) was stamping on the throttle, spinning and sliding through turns and then riding up onto the wet kerbs to lose even more time through wheelspin...Hamilton maximised the grip he had while keeping his tyres alive and made the best lap times his Merc could manage. He took the opportunities as they occurred and won a race that should have been a slam dunk for Verstappen.

And no Verstappen didn't run a lower downforce set up than Mercedes (although Albon got screwed with one at most races)...corner speed comparisons show Verstappen faster in slow and medium speed corners while the Mercedes having the edge in the faster turns.
Neither did the Mercedes have a top speed advantage....even a cursory glance at the maximum speed statistics for 2020 would confirm this.

[MKSixer]

Originally Posted by yco

MK numbers are clear universally but remember the floppy disks?
there was a switch for read only.. if its on, you were not able to save anything new in it.. thus even after 30-60 years its memory is the same.. only if it can still works as you know.. and even if it does work its obsolete anyway and it wont be enough for todays data world to save something new in it..

i learnt about Max fans from here mostly.. and unfortunately 2 friends over here makes me remember read-only switched floppy discs.. that has a pic of Max depicted as a "God" or something but nothing else in it..

no matter how many times you try a window pops up.. not enough memory or the format is not supported.. and that disc is orange..

An apt analogy. I haven't even thought about floppy disks in quite a while but in all ways it makes sense. It's too bad they can't be overwritten with factual to make the conversations less...monolithic. Ah well. We continue to battle with facts and not opinions. I still get a chuckle out of the request that we, "don't use data to judge VERs performance". This is F1, FFS!! The sport is about nothing but data!!

Originally Posted by SenorFunkyPants

Verstappen in the Mercedes might be as fast as Hamilton on a single lap...I don't think he would be but for the sake of argument lets say its true.
If they were Merc team mates and given exactly the same equipment and identical pits/tyre strategies (as Bottas is) then at the end of a season all else being equal Hamilton would be ahead on every metric.
For these reasons:
Hamilton is innately the more talented natural driver (see his rookie year).
Hamilton makes almost no mistakes while Verstappen makes many (see any year)
Hamilton is a far better driver in the wet. (see most wet races)
Hamilton is a smarter racer. (see every race).

The 2020 Turkey race perfectly demonstrated every single one of the above.
While Verstappen (with a seconds per lap car advantage) was stamping on the throttle, spinning and sliding through turns and then riding up onto the wet kerbs to lose even more time through wheelspin...Hamilton maximised the grip he had while keeping his tyres alive and made the best lap times his Merc could manage. He took the opportunities as they occurred and won a race that should have been a slam dunk for Verstappen.

And no Verstappen didn't run a lower downforce set up than Mercedes (although Albon got screwed with one at most races)...corner speed comparisons show Verstappen faster in slow and medium speed corners while the Mercedes having the edge in the faster turns.
Neither did the Mercedes have a top speed advantage....even a cursory glance at the maximum speed statistics for 2020 would confirm this.

Perfection. All I can say is:

[SenorFunkyPants]

Originally Posted by M5theonlyone

What part of 'low downforce' do they not understand my friend

My thought exactly...go look at the top speeds for Albon vrs Verstappen for 2020 and figure who is running the lower downforce set up.

[Admiral]

Breaking News

Hamilton has signed a one year contract with Mercedes

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by SenorFunkyPants

My thought exactly...go look at the top speeds for Albon vrs Verstappen for 2020 and figure who is running the lower downforce set up.

Or who was chickening out while Max has the pedal to the metal, it's not just the top speed but the OVERALL performance.
Look at Perez, Albon and Kvyat, when they knew the chips were down and they were likely to walk their performance increased and Perez was thrown a lifeline by RB driving better than anyone of those with a win to come trumps and get the RB seat.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Admiral

Breaking News

Hamilton has signed a one year contract with Mercedes

My sincere condolences...