2012 FIA Formula 1 World Championship Pre-Season Thread

EINSER M · 02-08-2012, 01:55 PM

who drove the RB8 @ Jerez? Buemi?

UltimateBMW · 02-08-2012, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by EINSER M

who drove the RB8 @ Jerez? Buemi?

Webber.

EINSER M · 02-08-2012, 04:43 PM

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Originally Posted by UltimateBMW

Webber.

thanx! just saw the posted times. is schumi the only one running a 2011 spec'ed car?

1. Michael Schumacher - Mercedes - 1:18.561 - +0.000 - 132

2. Mark Webber - Red Bull - 1:19.184 - +0.623 - 97

3. Daniel Ricciardo - Toro Rosso - 1:19.587 - +1.026 - 100

4. Jules Bianchi - Force India - 1:20.221 - +1.660 - 46

5. Kimi Raikkonen - Lotus - 1:20.239 - +1.678 - 117

6. Paul di Resta - Force India - 1:20.272 - +1.711 - 69

7. Felipe Massa - Ferrari - 1:20.454 - +1.893 - 95

8. Jenson Button - McLaren - 1:20.688 - +2.127 - 85

9. Sergio Perez - Sauber - 1:20.711 - +2.150 - 68

10. Pastor Maldonado - Williams - 1:21.197 - +2.636 - 97

11. Heikki Kovalainen - Caterham - 1:21.518 - +2.957 - 139

12. Pedro de la Rosa - HRT - 1:22.128 - +3.567 - 64

E90SLAM · 02-08-2012, 06:40 PM

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Originally Posted by EINSER M

thanx! just saw the posted times. is schumi the only one running a 2011 spec'ed car?

1. Michael Schumacher - Mercedes - 1:18.561 - +0.000 - 132

2. Mark Webber - Red Bull - 1:19.184 - +0.623 - 97

3. Daniel Ricciardo - Toro Rosso - 1:19.587 - +1.026 - 100

4. Jules Bianchi - Force India - 1:20.221 - +1.660 - 46

5. Kimi Raikkonen - Lotus - 1:20.239 - +1.678 - 117

6. Paul di Resta - Force India - 1:20.272 - +1.711 - 69

7. Felipe Massa - Ferrari - 1:20.454 - +1.893 - 95

8. Jenson Button - McLaren - 1:20.688 - +2.127 - 85

9. Sergio Perez - Sauber - 1:20.711 - +2.150 - 68

10. Pastor Maldonado - Williams - 1:21.197 - +2.636 - 97

11. Heikki Kovalainen - Caterham - 1:21.518 - +2.957 - 139

12. Pedro de la Rosa - HRT - 1:22.128 - +3.567 - 64

HRT and Mercedes GP are running 2011 cars.

The purpose for Mercedes to do that was to factor out the performance difference from the new Pirelli new tires.

HRT...probably just not ready....=/

E90SLAM · 02-09-2012, 09:18 AM

Jerez Day 3

UltimateBMW · 02-09-2012, 09:29 AM

Morning times from Day 3.

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1. Rosberg Mercedes 1m17.613s 74
2. Grosjean Lotus 1m18.419s +0.806 53
3. Hamilton McLaren 1m19.464s +1.851 38
4. Vergne Toro Rosso 1m19.734s +2.121 41
5. Perez Sauber 1m19.770s +2.157 31
6. Vettel Red Bull 1m20.154s +2.541 28
7. Alonso Ferrari 1m20.412s +2.799 29
8. Senna Williams 1m21.293s +3.680 61
9. Van der Garde Caterham 1m23.505s +5.892 40

UltimateBMW · 02-09-2012, 09:33 AM

It looks to me like Hamilton's seat is positioned higher than in previous years.

I wonder if there was a visibility issue, or the car is just overall lower around him now. Could also be the result of just sharing a chassis with Button for testing. We'll see how his seating position is at Melbourne when his personal chassis is completed.

2011:

2012:

UltimateBMW · 02-09-2012, 09:56 AM

Adrian Newey on the letterbox intake.

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The slot in the nose is simply driver cooling. Traditionally the driver cooling slot is at the front of the nose, but really for styling as much as anything we moved it to where you now see it to break up the aesthetics of the ramp.

Decently long interview with him on a variety of subjects.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/mot...-in-Jerez.html

E90SLAM · 02-09-2012, 11:22 AM

By just looking at the bottom edge of the visor, looks about the same in relation to the back edge of the nose-to-cockpit....

Or just having him to sit higher to avoid crashing into Massa again...

UltimateBMW · 02-09-2012, 12:26 PM

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By just looking at the bottom edge of the visor, looks about the same in relation to the back edge of the nose-to-cockpit....

Or just having him to sit higher to avoid crashing into Massa again...

You might be right. The top of his helmet just seemed to pop out further than usual to me.

On the topic of Massa, take a look at the wing mirrors on the top 3 cars. McLaren, Ferrari, and Red Bull. They are all generally mounted the same way/geometry. And they are all VERY tall! Especially Ferrari, those things are so tall that they get in the way of some of the photos.

see below for example:

E90SLAM · 02-09-2012, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by UltimateBMW

You might be right. The top of his helmet just seemed to pop out further than usual to me.

On the topic of Massa, take a look at the wing mirrors on the top 3 cars. McLaren, Ferrari, and Red Bull. They are all generally mounted the same way/geometry. And they are all VERY tall! Especially Ferrari, those things are so tall that they get in the way of some of the photos.

see below for example:

I forgot if there's a new regulation in 2012 for mirror elevation. If you check the McLaren and Red Bull, the mirror looks higher than last year.

But for the Williams and Sauber, seemed like its relatively lower but further away from car center...where Lotus and Toro Rosso is about the same as 2011.

Echo M3 · 02-09-2012, 04:41 PM

Ferrari is already sandbagging a bit. Ugh.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/16974981

E90SLAM · 02-09-2012, 04:48 PM

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Ferrari is already sandbagging a bit. Ugh.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/16974981

Ferrari and McLaren, sandbagging since 2009....

Despite a few more wins from McLaren and mathematical title contender back in 2010....

Or they might be blowing smoke...just setting some parameter in certain "pace" and probably heavy long run fuel load....

RingBredE90 · 02-09-2012, 07:41 PM

Im kind of getting used to the step noses already, Red Bull has the nicest one.

raisemyrent · 02-09-2012, 07:47 PM

agreed

johanness · 02-09-2012, 08:52 PM

Yes

KingOfJericho · 02-10-2012, 09:58 AM

True.

Also, regarding Ferrari, I think McLaren proved last year that even a car that tests poorly can turn in serious wins when the races begin.

E90SLAM · 02-10-2012, 10:22 AM

Jerez day 4 - FIA Declared both McLaren and Ferrari new exhaust system legal...

http://planetf1.com/news/3213/750250...eclared-Legal-

E90SLAM · 02-10-2012, 11:36 AM

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spanner1751 · 02-13-2012, 04:03 AM

I wish that Renault would go back to the French racing blue color. That black just doesn't stand out on the track.

UltimateBMW · 02-13-2012, 08:20 AM

That gold looks more manila this year, too.

007MCoupe · 02-13-2012, 06:59 PM

That RB8 'toaster slot'...I bet it directs air down onto the wing attached to the underside of the corner to get even more downforce on the front end somehow. By far the best looking step-nose out right now.

I hope McLaren stick with the smooth nose!

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