[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

Of course my friend . This is only the beginning ....

The RB F1 race clothes gear I would say has doubled in price,I'll stick with my Orangeboom Max polo top

[rwheels]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

Keeping in mind that Max is still trying to win his FIRST WDC.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by rwheels

Keeping in mind that Max is still trying to win his FIRST WDC.

In progress mate . This is only the beginning ..

MAX won today on Merc's playground . This means MAX can win everywhere !

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by rwheels

Keeping in mind that Max is still trying to win his FIRST WDC.

Keep in mind:

Max 23 years old

Hammy 36

[SenorFunkyPants]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

Have you watched them using the DAS?

The point is that if you can adjust toe, you can adjust it to higer top speed on the straights (less toe angle=less tyre friction=more efficiency) and more grip in the corner (more toe angle) (especially during braking). You saw them mostly changing their toe at the end of a straight before entering the corner. THey change their toe from staightline setting to corner setting. They do that with only one intent, that the one setting works better in a straight line and the other in corners/during braking. The setting in a straight line has only one goal (there is only one goal in the straight: top speed)

Fact of the matter is that for now it looks like the supremacy of the MERC's is partly gone and to me all rule changes effect all cars except the banning of DAS.
As the chassis have been carried over from last year due to covid, the changes on the cars are very very little compared to normal season changes, so that RB has made such a gain on MERC shows something. Merc has lost it's edge (and 'coincidentally' also their very controverisal DAS system)

Not sure that makes sense.
Firstly, if the point of DAS was for a significant improvement in straight line speed then all teams would have developed and fitted the device...they didn't because that wasn't the point.

DAS had one main benefit, to momentarily adjust the front tyres to toe-in, to add heat evenly to the front tyres during safety car periods and other times when the front tyres had dropped out of the optimum temperature window.

DAS was presented to the FIA before the start of the season and cleared for use.
Even though it was not against the rules it was only allowed for use for one season before being excluded, under rules specifically set out to cover new innovations.
The ban on DAS didn't reduce the Merc cars performance except where front tyre warm up was critical.
The changes to the rear floor area for 2021 however was specifically introduced to reduce performance of cars who used a low rake design such as Mercedes.

[Killed by Death]

Picture of the day

[rwheels]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

Keep in mind:

Max 23 years old

Hammy 36

Certainly every other driver will sit and watch. Very long odds.

[GuidoK]

Originally Posted by SenorFunkyPants

DAS had one main benefit, to momentarily adjust the front tyres to toe-in, to add heat evenly to the front tyres during safety car periods and other times when the front tyres had dropped out of the optimum temperature window.

That's another benefit.
But there are so many explanations on DAS on Youtube, also from people that have a 30 year pro racing career in many different classes (both formula and touringcar) and also do 30 years of pitreporting on F1 (thus talking regularly to drivers, engineers and team captains), and if such a person also explains that DAS allows you to set 0deg toe to maximize top speed and how that works...then I tend to believe that person over someone on some forum.
Especially if there are lots of videos about the DAS explanation, virtually all emphasizing this effect.

And like I said, if DAS didn't gave them an edge, it's particualairly strange that MERC couldn't cope with the relative small changes in rules for the 2021 season. The change in rules is minimal compared to other seasons because of COVID. And that is strange for a team that has a history of virtually always having their car competative early in the season.
Lots of budget but not being able to improve like their competition did who copes with the same small rulechanges. Unable to evolve their chassis on the scale that RB did. If the loss of DAS didn't put them in a bad position, it just means they're not as good at their jobs as the people at RB. Loosing to the competition with minimum rule change.

[///M Power-Belgium]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

Picture of the day

Video of the day ..

[E92inNC]

Jus watched the race-

This track tore up the tires, which I’m all for. An added pit stop injects more fun IMO

Max and Lewis- oh how turn tables from when Lewis hunted down Max with an extra pit, definitely fun to watch one reeling in another with fresher tires

Ferrari has a lot of work to do when it comes to their car chewing up tires, the one lap is there but they always lose places in the race unless the track is really kind to the tires

RB/Mercedes was so far ahead of the field that’s it’s ridiculous

On a side note, I hadn’t noticed til now but that Walmart logo looks hella weird and out of place on the RB

[M5Rick]

and..

[EdM5]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

MAX won today on Merc's playground . This means MAX can win everywhere !

Agreed!
This was a very significant win on typical MB hunting grounds. Seems like RB have the upper hand over MB.
And remember, in recent years, RB have always been stronger towards the end of the season.

[M5Rick]

Originally Posted by E92inPHX

Jus watched the race-

This track tore up the tires, which I’m all for. An added pit stop injects more fun IMO

Max and Lewis- oh how turn tables from when Lewis hunted down Max with an extra pit, definitely fun to watch one reeling in another with fresher tires

Ferrari has a lot of work to do when it comes to their car chewing up tires, the one lap is there but they always lose places in the race unless the track is really kind to the tires

RB/Mercedes was so far ahead of the field that’s it’s ridiculous

On a side note, I hadn’t noticed til now but that Walmart logo looks hella weird and out of place on the RB

One of the reasons for success of Merc in previous years was down to the combined long wheelbase to diffuser combination. That ended when rules stated 10% reduction in downforce on rear causing the rear to be jacked up more.

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by E92inPHX

...Ferrari has a lot of work to do when it comes to their car chewing up tires, the one lap is there but they always lose places in the race unless the track is really kind to the tires

Binotto has got to go!!! I don't know why Ferrari can't figure that out

Low tire deg used to be a Ferrari strength, GONE!!!

The only substantial engine improvement was accomplish through cheating

Compare that to Honda who went from almost worst on the grid to now arguably the best

Can't blame the drivers

Binotto you SUCK.

[EdM5]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

Binotto has got to go!!! I don't know why Ferrari can't figure that out

Low tire deg used to be a Ferrari strength, GONE!!!

The only substantial engine improvement was accomplish through cheating

Compare that to Honda who went from almost worst on the grid to now arguably the best

Can't blame the drivers

Binotto you SUCK.

I feel you. And on a business POV: Ferrari struggling is bad for F1.

[E92inNC]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

Binotto has got to go!!! I don't know why Ferrari can't figure that out

Low tire deg used to be a Ferrari strength, GONE!!!

The only substantial engine improvement was accomplish through cheating

Compare that to Honda who went from almost worst on the grid to now arguably the best

Can't blame the drivers

Binotto you SUCK.

Anyone come to kind to replace him? One significant advantage MB and RB have had over Ferrari is stability at the top while Ferrari has been a rotating door. Granted a lot of it has to do with the expectation and pressure to win leading to impatience.

I have nothing for or against Binotto but that top stability is ultra important when there are so many departments and moving pieces under his purview.
Ideal changes ever few years is disastrous if they want to stay among the top three.

[SenorFunkyPants]

Originally Posted by GuidoK

That's another benefit.
But there are so many explanations on DAS on Youtube, also from people that have a 30 year pro racing career in many different classes (both formula and touringcar) and also do 30 years of pitreporting on F1 (thus talking regularly to drivers, engineers and team captains), and if such a person also explains that DAS allows you to set 0deg toe to maximize top speed and how that works...then I tend to believe that person over someone on some forum.
Especially if there are lots of videos about the DAS explanation, virtually all emphasizing this effect.

And like I said, if DAS didn't gave them an edge, it's particualairly strange that MERC couldn't cope with the relative small changes in rules for the 2021 season. The change in rules is minimal compared to other seasons because of COVID. And that is strange for a team that has a history of virtually always having their car competative early in the season.
Lots of budget but not being able to improve like their competition did who copes with the same small rulechanges. Unable to evolve their chassis on the scale that RB did. If the loss of DAS didn't put them in a bad position, it just means they're not as good at their jobs as the people at RB. Loosing to the competition with minimum rule change.

Its the big changes to the rear floor design that significantly penalised Mercedes (and Aston Martin unfortunately) in terms of outright performance for the 2021 season. The floor rule changes had far less effect on cars that ran more rake such as Red Bull compared to those with a low rake.
The ban on DAS hurt Mercedes only in terms of tyre warm up and tyre wear.

Its true you want zero front toe to remove any energy losses resulting from tyre scrub. But when you consider the 1000 odd horsepower that is pushing an F1 car forwards you would have to have a gross amount of toe out for it to have any effect on top speed. However if you can dynamically adjust the toe to stop scrubbing on long straights it will improve your tyre wear rate.
Moving to toe-in for the turns heats the tyres back up.

[EdM5]

Originally Posted by ///M Power-Belgium

That's our good friend "MKSixer"

Well said mate , and I agree completely !

Now let's give the man the respect he's due.
MK6 is a very knowledgeable and well connected senior member of this forum.
We should very much appreciate guys like him!

[GuidoK]

Originally Posted by EdM5

Now let's give the man the respect he's due.

He said that RB was the most toxic team, and Max was the most toxic driver...
(whatever toxic means....)

And that we really didn't know that much about F1 and that's why we were fan of Max.
As if that has anything to do with it.

I have a very good idea how much respect he's due from me at least.
Not because how much he knows or doesnt know, but what kind of person he is saying stupid things like that.
Oh yeah, this was an extension of his hindsight blabbering about the exploding tyres and bragging about his job at some pharmaceutical company or something like that.
I have no idea why he posted stuff like that. I guess there are people that feel the need to brag about their career and people that don't feel that need...

What an idiot.

[Killed by Death]

Originally Posted by E92inPHX

Anyone come to kind to replace him? One significant advantage MB and RB have had over Ferrari is stability at the top while Ferrari has been a rotating door. Granted a lot of it has to do with the expectation and pressure to win leading to impatience.

I have nothing for or against Binotto but that top stability is ultra important when there are so many departments and moving pieces under his purview.
Ideal changes ever few years is disastrous if they want to stay among the top three.

Agreed, I don't think they should have ever replaced Maurizio Arrivabene! But word is he was kind of an overbearing a$$hole? I thought he was doing a great job and appeared to have leadership skills.

I prefer the Toto Wolff model. He is a potent driver / manager combination. Don't believe he can drive? Checkout some of his YouTube videos. But no one comes to mind

Maybe try a MB senior adviser type like Niki? Even Red Bull has Helmut Marko who was a driver.

Rubens Barrichello, too nice
Massa, too nice,
(Retired) Vettel, strong choice but spent too many years within the team.
(Retired) Alonzo, but will he ever retire?

Mika Häkkinen

Suggestions

[Bubbles]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

Picture of the day

Could Checo be the ultimate wing man? Possibly.

It’s clear that Max respects Checo, and even thanked him over the radio during the race.

Class act stuff.

[Bubbles]

Originally Posted by Killed by Death

Agreed, I don't think they should have ever replaced Maurizio Arrivabene! But word is he was kind of an overbearing a$$hole? I thought he was doing a great job and appeared to have leadership skills.

I prefer the Toto Wolff model. He is a potent driver / manager combination. Don't believe he can drive? Checkout some of his YouTube videos. But no one comes to mind

Maybe try a MB senior adviser type like Niki? Even Red Bull has Helmut Marko who was a driver.

Rubens Barrichello, too nice
Massa, too nice,
(Retired) Vettel, strong choice but spent too many years within the team.
(Retired) Alonzo, but will he ever retire?

Mika Häkkinen

Suggestions

Nico R!