When will automakers start to listen..

ENINTY · 12-19-2009, 12:04 PM

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Originally Posted by herbz

There's gotta be some BMW purists around here that are upset that BMW doesn't make a true driver's car any more... hell, the lightest car they offer is the 135i, at 3400 lbs. Sure, it's got 300hp/tq, but I'd rather have a car at 3000 lbs with less power, that handles better and offers a better all around driving experience.

Lemme know what you think..

I had an E30 for 20 years and thought the same thing; BMW doesn't make a driver's car anymore. However when I got my E90 I was otherwise convinced. My E90 handles way better than my E30 ever did and is faster, bigger, safer, and gets better fuel mileage. An over 3,000 lbs car is not so bad.

ianbiz · 12-19-2009, 01:01 PM

Schn3ll · 12-19-2009, 01:17 PM

How about a 370z?

lyndon_h · 12-20-2009, 09:56 AM

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Originally Posted by dundonrl

lets see..

2 door coupe = Mustang GT
Rear wheel drive = Mustang GT
3000 lbs = Not Mustang GT (3356 lbs)
230-280 hp = Not Mustang GT (has 300 hp) but definitely useable torque range
manual transmission = Mustang GT
conventional steering system = Mustang GT
decent interior = Mustang GT if you can handle the plastic (I can)
under 30K= Mustang GT (used 09 is dealer priced at 23500)

now lets see 2010 (new cars)

2 door coupe = Mustang GT
RWD = Mustang GT
3000 lbs Not Mustang GT (weights 3401 lbs)
230-280 hp = Not Mustang GT (has 315 hp) but definitely useable torque
manual transmission= Mustang GT
conventional steering = Mustang GT
decent interior = Mustang GT (much better than the 09 model)
under 30k = Mustang GT (base MSRP on a GT is about 27K)

The mustang has many strengths, but weight is not one of them. 400lbs over his requirement totally changes the feel of a car.

footie · 12-20-2009, 10:58 AM

The Nissan 370z gets reasonally close to what you are looking, 250lbs heavier but counters this with more power than required and is as old school as you could ever want at the right price. Also the old model Z4 3.0si shouldn't be far off the mark.

DFW_MThree · 12-20-2009, 11:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dundonrl

lets see..

2 door coupe = Mustang GT
Rear wheel drive = Mustang GT
3000 lbs = Not Mustang GT (3356 lbs)
230-280 hp = Not Mustang GT (has 300 hp) but definitely useable torque range
manual transmission = Mustang GT
conventional steering system = Mustang GT
decent interior = Mustang GT if you can handle the plastic (I can)
under 30K= Mustang GT (used 09 is dealer priced at 23500)

now lets see 2010 (new cars)

2 door coupe = Mustang GT
RWD = Mustang GT
3000 lbs Not Mustang GT (weights 3401 lbs)
230-280 hp = Not Mustang GT (has 315 hp) but definitely useable torque
manual transmission= Mustang GT
conventional steering = Mustang GT
decent interior = Mustang GT (much better than the 09 model)
under 30k = Mustang GT (base MSRP on a GT is about 27K)

Hmmm. I owned a mustang GT before i got my BMW and can say i would NEVER buy one again. In my experiences it was kinda fast and all that but after all it is american..quality goes out the window. and the weight and body roll was horrible in corners. Id take a 335 any day.
Modded easier (turbo),Looks better,Better quality,NOT a FORD, Better interior, and the list could go on forever....
..but thats just my opinion

DFW_MThree · 12-20-2009, 11:30 AM

+1 on the 370z...the upgraded interior with the navi is very nice and the sport package model is awesome. With wheels and a drop they can look so sick!

Cerezo · 12-28-2009, 11:24 PM

Saturn Sky Red Line - 2D RWD, 2990 lbs, 260/260, MSRP 32k. Most people don't even think of it for some reason.

Alchem · 12-29-2009, 12:30 AM

How do you expect to find a coupe for under 3000lbs for $30k-35k? I'm assuming u want a coupe and not a roadster. In order to get it under 3000lbs you will need to use carbon fiber which is expensive.

What you are asking for sir is impossible with today's technology.

Bunkei · 12-29-2009, 02:00 AM

2011 Mustang GT 5.0 ... 412 hp/390 lb-ft torque .. has Ford's navigation and sync system and an upgraded track package compared to this year's version in case you plan on really beating on it. Much lighter than GM's or Chrysler's offerings too.

graider · 12-29-2009, 09:37 AM

problem is car like this doesn't sell. I mean how many 911/cayman/boxter does porshe sell a year? take that and divide by the number of automakers that are going to make the car you are reffering to. How many car can they sell really?

before anyone jump in to say that people can't afford porche, well the cayman/boxter are not expensive by any mean.

jcarlucci1 · 12-30-2009, 04:14 PM

Used rx7

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