[Comet]

Originally Posted by sokdo

Irony. You're saying people should be more aware and read the comments yet you just made a very ignorant comment yourself lol.

Not everybody is fat because they eat "more" than the average person. It is more usually on the type of food they eat, not the quantity. The type of food people eat and the reason why Americans are so obese is because we stress convenient cheap affordable food on the go so to speak due to the decline of the emphasis on the nuclear family, whereas other countries in the world still have that idea of an optimal nuclear family that encompasses home cooked meals that are way healthier than their fast food counterparts. For example in my own experience, asian culture emphasizes highly on family dinners that include the entire family and it's looked down upon to continually serve your family ( on the women ) anything that's not homecooked. This isn't to say though with second and third generation families, more and more are converting their lifestyles to that fast food alternative. With the way Americans are working, more and more people find fast food convenient as an alternative source of nutrition, and with that extra income coming in from working, they're willing to sacrifice the small premium in order to have that waiting for their families when they get home. I won't even go into genetics since I'm pretty sure I'm not well-versed in that area to support an argument but I assure you it does play a role in the health level of certain individuals. There is empirical data that shows significantly less obesity in higher income families as opposed to the families in the lower and mid end of the spectrum where their time goes towards working jobs and cheap affordable dinner substitutes. It's not hard to see who McDonald's and KFC is marketing to and it sure ain't the rich upper class.

well stuffing your face with super sized meals doesn't help keep thin.
a lot of money goes into junk food.. When you buy your groceries and add an extra 100$ on junk, potatoes, cookies, etc... that also adds to it..

But when you eat more, you gain more weight.
Simple principle. And when you see your average american leave McD's with 2 Super sized meals instead of one...
It isn't the fact he is eating unhealthy that is keepin him fat, but the fact that he is stuffing himself with 2 lunches without the proper work out.
And again, he is spending more on eating than he should, thus cut the amount of food you eat, and you cut the amount of weight u gain.

Dieting does help in losing weight. Take that extra BigMac Trio money and make it tax money for being fat. He eats less (cuz like you said, these are people that dont have a lot of money), slowly loses weight. And it will push him to work out so he spends less tax money

[sokdo]

You only have to eat 1 portion meals of mcdonalds frequently enough to gain weight. There are documented studies and even a movie that documents weight gain by consuming mcdonalds. I believe he gained like 30 lbs in a month or so by consuming regular portion mcdonald meals but for every meal. Now I'm not saying Americans eat that much fast food everyday but the amount they are consuming now, although it's not 30 lbs a month, it's not going to be healthy either.

I have very conflicting views with how you perceive mcdonalds. I don't see people sitting there wolfing down 3 hamburgers, 3 buckets of fries, and 2 large sodas. I see in general just single meals like a big mac with fries and a coke in medium size. Nothing huge like 2 superwhatsits meals that have 3000 kcalories. Have you ever been grocery shopping? I find it highly unlikely that you'll be spending 100$ on junk food when your entire purchase price for 1-2 months supply of food costs roughly 120-160$. ( from my experience as a grocery shopper of 3 years for every month for those 3 years )

So your solution to the weight problem is physically make obese people unable to purchase more food by taxing their food money? =/ Maybe if we lived in North Korea or something but who are you to make people pay a tax for eating the foods they want? What if they placed a tax on your favorite food? What if they taxed only BMW drivers because BMW provides "excessive status symbol for middle class"? I foresee $5.56 worth of food and $2.45 worth of taxes going off of what you suggested. I guess that's one way to effectively wipe out one of America's biggest economy driving corporation..

[sokdo]

Originally Posted by Nikkahtropolis

Fat people also usually have sedentary lifestyles. They're too lazy to workout consistently or manage their eating portions properly.

I see skinny people eating at Mc. D's (doesn't mean they're necessarily healthy though), and it's probably because they burn most of that shit off.

Now you're just be stereotypical and prejudice towards heavy people. I used to be 230 lbs at 5'10 in high school. I wasn't sedentary at all. I wasn't a marathon runner or anything but I sure as hell played sports when my friends were up for it and did regular P.E in school. Heck, even after I joined football I was still pretty hefty even with muscles, I wasn't necessarily "fit." I was just eating the wrong foods in the right portions. Portions also is a factor but so is the type of food you're eating. You could eat really small portions of the wrong things and still gain weight. Likewise, you could eat gigantic portions of food of the right healthy foods and manage your weight.

The skinny people you see at Mc. D's are there because they like to enjoy fast food once in awhile and I can guarantee they're not there more than once a month. People who "burn most of that shit off" aren't likely to be eating in Mc. D's in the first place or won't eat at those places frequently. After dropping 70lbs and being very active I haven't even been inside a major fast food chains more than once every 3 months or so and even then its like a subway or just for a snack, not a meal.

I wouldn't really expect you to understand the difficulties and extenuating circumstances of being obese unless you've experienced it first hand and how much you can actually do to try and get it off with our current busy lifestyles. By your definition, the 30%+ of Americans who are above their ideal weight are just lazy right?

[ACZakka325i]

Originally Posted by sokdo

You only have to eat 1 portion meals of mcdonalds frequently enough to gain weight. There are documented studies and even a movie that documents weight gain by consuming mcdonalds. I believe he gained like 30 lbs in a month or so by consuming regular portion mcdonald meals but for every meal.\

That guy in Super Size Me had all the problems that he did in that documentry because he was a God damn vegan before he started. Of course he's gonna gain a shit load of weight and have other issues.

[Comet]

Originally Posted by ACZakka325i

That guy in Super Size Me had all the problems that he did in that documentry because he was a God damn vegan before he started. Of course he's gonna gain a shit load of weight and have other issues.

exactly
a friend of mine lived off McDs for lunch and dinner for an entire month once and he didn't have any health problems...

that guy wasnt used to meat or anything. Him and his granola life style were the problem despite what that Dr Nick Riviera style person said at the beginning

[Comet]

Originally Posted by sokdo

Have you ever been grocery shopping? I find it highly unlikely that you'll be spending 100$ on junk food when your entire purchase price for 1-2 months supply of food costs roughly 120-160$. ( from my experience as a grocery shopper of 3 years for every month for those 3 years )

I don't know what kind of food you buy dude, but 160$, that's my grocery shopping for like 2 weeks. Unless all you buy is Ramen.

So your solution to the weight problem is physically make obese people unable to purchase more food by taxing their food money? =/ Maybe if we lived in North Korea or something but who are you to make people pay a tax for eating the foods they want? What if they placed a tax on your favorite food? What if they taxed only BMW drivers because BMW provides "excessive status symbol for middle class"? I foresee $5.56 worth of food and $2.45 worth of taxes going off of what you suggested. I guess that's one way to effectively wipe out one of America's biggest economy driving corporation..

I'm not saying tax the food, tax their weight. You're fat, you should pay up for being a lardo. All you have to do is not be a fat ass.. is it really that bad?
Pushing people to not be lazy asses and take their fatman scooter to McDs?
Call it motivation to lose weight.

[SpecC]

if that were a law in the US, more than half the country would be arrested. even worse than that, we'd lost 3/4 of the police force

[lucas.kent]

Originally Posted by SpecC

if that were a law in the US, more than half the country would be arrested. even worse than that, we'd lost 3/4 of the police force

Pretty hilarious.

[sokdo]

Originally Posted by Comet

exactly
a friend of mine lived off McDs for lunch and dinner for an entire month once and he didn't have any health problems...

that guy wasnt used to meat or anything. Him and his granola life style were the problem despite what that Dr Nick Riviera style person said at the beginning

You're suggesting then that McDonald's is healthy and not a huge health risk if consumed too frequently? You friend may not show physical signs of any health problems because his young age probably compensated for that particular month or he was really fit. Being particularly fit will combat and slow down the effects of health problems by consuming McDonald's but given years, you will definately start seeing health problems such as high blood pressure and high levels of cholesterol and weight gain. It's just impossible not to, given the amount of calories, sodium, cholesterol, fat, etc you consume from a mcdonald's meal. Unless you spend large amounts of time in the gym.

Taxing people on their weight is like taxing people on their beauty ( to some ). Sure there will always be people who choose not to do anything even if they can but there will always be some too who aren't physically able to due to long work hours, physical inability due to injury, genetics that prevent or make it extremely difficult for people to shed weight, etc. You're pretty much shitting over the constitution when you're forcing people to adopt a certain lifestyle. Although I can't say I would like to have unhealthy people in the U.S because they do strain the economy with health bills and special accomodations, I still think it's completely totalitarian to force people to lose weight and adapt to a new lifestyle. If anything, we're already in the process of teaching our children to lead healthy lives by removing carbonated beverages, giving standardized healthy school foods, increasing p.e activities and recreation time. The recent trend though is to eat healthy so I'm sure in the future there will be healthy fast food substitutes and who knows, maybe McDonald's just might start creating actual organic healthy foods along with their original menu.

[RENN Spec]

I'm getting really hungry reading this...

[number335]

i don't mind fat people. it helps make me look more attractive if there are a lot of fat people around me.

[immiketoo]

Originally Posted by SpecC

if that were a law in the US, more than half the country would be arrested. even worse than that, we'd lost 3/4 of the police force

Hey now....

[DougLikesBMW]

Originally Posted by sokdo

Sure there will always be people who choose not to do anything even if they can but there will always be some too who aren't physically able to due to long work hours, physical inability due to injury, genetics that prevent or make it extremely difficult for people to shed weight, etc. You're pretty much shitting over the constitution when you're forcing people to adopt a certain lifestyle. Although I can't say I would like to have unhealthy people in the U.S because they do strain the economy with health bills and special accomodations, I still think it's completely totalitarian to force people to lose weight and adapt to a new lifestyle. If anything, we're already in the process of teaching our children to lead healthy lives by removing carbonated beverages, giving standardized healthy school foods, increasing p.e activities and recreation time. The recent trend though is to eat healthy so I'm sure in the future there will be healthy fast food substitutes and who knows, maybe McDonald's just might start creating actual organic healthy foods along with their original menu.

If you're not living in a 3rd world country then there is always time for exercise.

Also, don't bring genetics into this. What a big fkn scapegoat people use genetics as. Ever see an obese person in Africa?

[OC Guy]

Originally Posted by Nikkahtropolis

Fat people also usually have sedentary lifestyles. They're too lazy to workout consistently or manage their eating portions properly.

I see skinny people eating at Mc. D's (doesn't mean they're necessarily healthy though), and it's probably because they burn most of that shit off.

Also in many countries (such as Japan), they are used to walking around due to the quality public transportation as opposed to driving long distances and sitting in an office all day long.

America has a huge problem with obesity and it's unfortunate the rest of the population has to pay for it.

[OC Guy]

Originally Posted by sokdo

The recent trend though is to eat healthy so I'm sure in the future there will be healthy fast food substitutes and who knows, maybe McDonald's just might start creating actual organic healthy foods along with their original menu.

Eat healthier not eat healthy.

America is ass backwards. It is also MUCH cheaper to eat unhealthy as opposed to healthy. In Brazil for example, it's pretty easy to get a decent cheap healthy meal as opposed to fast food (which is more expensive).

[Comet]

Originally Posted by sokdo

You're suggesting then that McDonald's is healthy and not a huge health risk if consumed too frequently?

Anything consumed too frequently can become a hazard. And McDs is not healthy, but it isn't as bad as that guy made it out to be. it passes health inspection in pretty much every country.

Although I can't say I would like to have unhealthy people in the U.S because they do strain the economy with health bills and special accomodations

exactly, they strain the healthy people. let it strain their pockets. Let that fat tax pay for their health bills and special accomodations. Let them pull their own weight (hah!).

Originally Posted by DougLikesBMW

If you're not living in a 3rd world country then there is always time for exercise.

I live in a 3rd world country I find time to exercise! so that excuse is invalid right there!

Also, don't bring genetics into this. What a big fkn scapegoat people use genetics as. Ever see an obese person in Africa?

they probably just don't work out right...

There are certain diseases however that make weight loss very hard apparently. Or so fat people have told me.
Obviously super fat people get tested to see if they are fat due to lazyness or because they can't (due to injury or whatever) actually lose weight.
I'm not saying tax the guy who lost his legs and cant really run and thus is obese.
I'm saying tax that guy over there who eats enough to feed an african for a month in one meal and then demands free health care to treat his obesity.
Either tax him, or deny him the right to health care for problems based on his lazyness...

[DougLikesBMW]

Originally Posted by Comet

I live in a 3rd world country I find time to exercise! so that excuse is invalid right there!

I meant the type of people who have to stand for 12 hours in a hot factory skinning/degutting/cutting tuna or shelling shrimp and then go home at the end of the day barely being paid anything to live in a shack, barely eat any food, and have their starving children there asking, "What are we eating for dinner tonight, mommy?"

You are not one of these people, obviously.

However, the point is moot, because these people are never obese as they don't have the means to be.

[Kroy]

Originally Posted by DougLikesBMW

If you're not living in a 3rd world country then there is always time for exercise.

Also, don't bring genetics into this. What a big fkn scapegoat people use genetics as. Ever see an obese person in Africa?

Genetics does have some part. I have a friend who is basically a natural athlete. He destroys his body with junk food like you wouldn't believe, but at the end of the day, he still maintains around the same body weight. He is a little more active than I am. I on the other hand am double his size. I am like nearly a foot taller than him and have over 100lb on him. I will admit I'm still obese.

If I eat as much as my friend, I put on like double the weight he would. I've known him for 3+ years and in the last year or two I've lost 100lb by changing my diet. My friend still continues to eat fast food daily. His favorite food is Albertos super fries (he can probably put away 2 of them in a sitting if he wanted). The fact is, my friend is still basically the same size he was 2 years ago.

So how do you explain those skinny friends of yours that seem to feast on junk food and don't exercise. I bet everyone knows at least one person that seem to be able to eat whatever they want and are not too active and yet still look fit.

Originally Posted by sokdo

You're suggesting then that McDonald's is healthy and not a huge health risk if consumed too frequently? You friend may not show physical signs of any health problems because his young age probably compensated for that particular month or he was really fit. Being particularly fit will combat and slow down the effects of health problems by consuming McDonald's but given years, you will definately start seeing health problems such as high blood pressure and high levels of cholesterol and weight gain. It's just impossible not to, given the amount of calories, sodium, cholesterol, fat, etc you consume from a mcdonald's meal. Unless you spend large amounts of time in the gym.

Taxing people on their weight is like taxing people on their beauty ( to some ). Sure there will always be people who choose not to do anything even if they can but there will always be some too who aren't physically able to due to long work hours, physical inability due to injury, genetics that prevent or make it extremely difficult for people to shed weight, etc. You're pretty much shitting over the constitution when you're forcing people to adopt a certain lifestyle. Although I can't say I would like to have unhealthy people in the U.S because they do strain the economy with health bills and special accomodations, I still think it's completely totalitarian to force people to lose weight and adapt to a new lifestyle. If anything, we're already in the process of teaching our children to lead healthy lives by removing carbonated beverages, giving standardized healthy school foods, increasing p.e activities and recreation time. The recent trend though is to eat healthy so I'm sure in the future there will be healthy fast food substitutes and who knows, maybe McDonald's just might start creating actual organic healthy foods along with their original menu.

I can pretty much understand all your points. I'm still a fat man even today, but it's a work in progress. Fast food is pretty bad for you; even salad is usually washed with sugar water for better taste. I think it's totalitarian to tax the fat. If it were just an extra premium for health insurance, I'd agree, but there are too many circumstances to weight.

The Japanese waist size rule sounds like a retarded political driven move. How can they come up with a waist size limit without considering other factors. But then again, it fits in perfectly with their cultural motto, the nail that sticks out will be hit.

[sokdo]

Originally Posted by ACZakka325i

That guy in Super Size Me had all the problems that he did in that documentry because he was a God damn vegan before he started. Of course he's gonna gain a shit load of weight and have other issues.

That has little to no bearing on the fact that you would gain weight. If it was some other person, they would have showed significant signs of weight gain even if it wasn't at the levels he experienced. How do I know? How do you think I reached 230 lbs by age 16? Btw I was considered underweight at age 10.
edit: I was pretty active physically ( golf, football ) in high school as well but it did little to curb the weight gain.

Originally Posted by DougLikesBMW

If you're not living in a 3rd world country then there is always time for exercise.

Also, don't bring genetics into this. What a big fkn scapegoat people use genetics as. Ever see an obese person in Africa?

Tell that to Americans who have to have two jobs and/or live off minimum wage to make ends meet.
Centers for Disease Control and Prevention Gov
-"It has been argued that the thrifty genotype is just part of a wider spectrum of ways in which genes can favor fat accumulation in a given environment. These ways include the tendency to overeat (poor regulation of appetite and satiety); tenLearn more about obesity and genetics.ncy to be sedentary (physically inactive); diminished ability to use dietary fats as fuel; and enlarged, easily stimulated capacity to store body fat."

Originally Posted by Comet

I'm saying tax that guy over there who eats enough to feed an african for a month in one meal and then demands free health care to treat his obesity.
Either tax him, or deny him the right to health care for problems based on his lazyness...

So you're taxing someone because they eat too much? Would you tax someone because they drank too much? Would you tax someone who worked out too much? Would you tax someone who didn't eat enough? Because ultimately those people will require health care. Why discriminate against fat people? why not ridiculously skinny people or smokers or drinkers?

[Comet]

I'm talking about people like this:



sorry man, but there is a certain point where every person draws the line, buckles down and exercises.. these people obviously don't care about their health and request people to treat them at the expense of others.
They need to take responsibility for their own shit.