[jbbrann]

Do you realize how menacing one of those things is going to look coming up in your rearview??? I might have to look at an R/T (depending on the fuel economy and given the warranty)... I'll take mine in black.

[GreenMonster]

Originally Posted by WolfsburgerMitFries

Yeah the new 5.7L has cylinder deactivation, just like the old. The SRT8 6.1L does not. Cylinder deactivation engines require a very light 5W20 oil for the actuator to function, and I'm a little skeptical of oil that thin.

Yeah, the 09 5.7L will be interesting and probably priced a little over 30K (just a guess)...

I've got 5w20 oil in my Acura and it seems fine. That's what they recommend now. The 3.2L in the earlier 01's and 02's CL's didn't have 5w20, but acura switched to the 5w20 with the reasoning that it give both better mileage and emissions (not sure it's that's true, but that's acura's story).

Looks like rwd coupes are making a comeback...

[jbbrann]

Originally Posted by WolfsburgerMitFries

The bad side is the company you keep. I've read the Challenger blogs, and I've never seen such a group of simpletons bitching about irrational nonsense as those guys. Its a little odd around here at times, but its a world ahead of those guys I'll assure you.

I agree with you wholeheartedly on this one. I made the mistake of viewing a "Will the new Challenger hurt the resale of the original Challenger" thread. When I saw that there was a serious debate going on I decided I could do without a Challenger forum.

PS - Do you think the 1-series will hurt the resale of the 2002s? :smile:

[~AJ]

Originally Posted by jbbrann

Do you realize how menacing one of those things is going to look coming up in your rearview???

Imagine a black one with a Flowmaster exhaust...

I'm picturing The Road Warrior.

[WolfsburgerMitFries]

Originally Posted by AJ~

Imagine a black one with a Flowmaster exhaust...

I'm picturing The Road Warrior.

You can pull up videos of the 300c and Chargers with Flowmaster setups on youtube, even black ones.

You already know there's going to be tons of aftermarket goodies for the Charger. The 5.7 is a twin plug engine, so its got a very reliable ignition. That's a leftover piece of Mercedes-Benz DNA by the way.

[1ster]

Too bad about that gas guzzler tax...

[~AJ]

Originally Posted by WolfsburgerMitFries

The 5.7 is a twin plug engine, so its got a very reliable ignition. That's a leftover piece of Mercedes-Benz DNA by the way.

It works well. Nissan built twin-plug engines in the eighties. Looks cool, too!

[Oregon]

Do American designers have any new ideas? Is this Hollywood rehash? The Challenger got done right 35+ years ago. IMO, derivative. And the 135i is not derivative of the 2002, that's BMW marketing BS.

IMO.

[~AJ]

Originally Posted by Surname

Do American designers have any new ideas? Is this Hollywood rehash? The Challenger got done right 35+ years ago. IMO, derivative.

Almost all cars are derivative. They usually derive their style, platforms, engines, and many other parts from the cars before them.

BMW's all look like they derive their style from previous BMW's. It is suppossed to be that way. Otherwise BMW folks get upset. Read the posts here at 1addicts about the photoshopped 2009 3 series.

Retro is in, by the way. BMW derived a recent marketing success from an old, tiny British car. VW has their New Beetle. Ford made the Thunderbird and the current Mustang. Chrysler has the PT Cruiser. Chevrolet has the HHR, SSR and the next Camaro. The Jeep Wrangler is derivative of the original military vehicle and is loved for it.

I would guess that the 35+ year old Challenger won't perform as well as the new one.

[WolfsburgerMitFries]

Don't forget about the new Fiat 500 (another extremely retro design) that just won the Euro car of the year for 2008. Here's a clip from the official press release...
"The international jury presiding over the ‘Car of the Year’ award, made up of 58 specialist journalists from 22 European countries, has selected the Fiat 500 “Car of the Year 2008” with 385 votes, ahead of the Mazda 2 (325 votes) and the Ford Mondeo (202)."

[atr_hugo]

That car is playing a "Siren's song" with me. I've owned a FIAT and should know better but that thing is really tugging at me (especially the Abarth variant). Now all we need is for Al Cosentino to start cranking out his totally bizarre Faza Forza ads.

[WolfsburgerMitFries]

Since the Challenger pre-orders began today (Monday 12/3/07), several people are independantly reporting that they are encountering prices of MSRP + $30,000 dealer markup.

Supposedly 1st year (very late) model run will be limited to 5000 cars, all of which are SRT8 packages.

I called both my local dealers, one was completely clueless, the other was damn near clueless.

[dsm9]

Originally Posted by WolfsburgerMitFries

I called both my local dealers, one was completely clueless, the other was damn near clueless.

Funny considering it's brand new performance car

[1ster]

Standard features and options were released today...

Buyers who shell out $40,095 (plus what's likely to be a staggering dealer surcharge) for the 2008 Dodge Charger SRT8 can at least rest in the knowledge that the cars they're getting are loaded to the gills with standard features. In fact, there are only three options. For $50, you can upgrade to summer tires (all-season performance rubber is standard). $890 replaces the base head unit with the MyGig infotainment/navigation system, and $950 adds a power sunroof. Everything else is part of the standard equipment list -- even a stint at the SRT Track Experience. Head on over to Allpar to see the complete rundown, which includes the minutiae like "6.1L badge." More info on the Challenger is coming very soon, so keep your eyes peeled as Chrysler gets into full ramp-up-the-excitement mode.

[Fast Kiwi]

Originally Posted by Nixon

I was poking around the link from the first post, and someone was saying the R/T might be under 30k. That would make things interesting -- but considering the source.....

It looks like it would hold more dead bodies in the trunk than a 135i/128i. That's got to count for something.

i know its been mentioned now but when you add the $30k markup.. lol.... :respekt: that what i give to the dealerships who think thats a good idea..

[WolfsburgerMitFries]

More details with teaser images on the Dodge website. Very nice. The 1 series is a smarter choice, but I want a Challenger.
http://www.redletterdodge.com/2007/1...allenger-srt8/

[ARES45]

In the end, you are still driving a POS dodge.

[WolfsburgerMitFries]

Originally Posted by ARES45

In the end, you are still driving a POS dodge.

We've already had discussions about quality of modern cars. The difference in initial quality between 1st place and last (36th) place is 0.79 defects per car. That Car rides last generations Mercedes E-class platform. You have no idea what you're talking about.

[ARES45]

Just going off of previous ownership of Dodge vehicles, put more miles on the driving back and forth to the dealer than anything else. They left a bad taste in my mouth that will make me never even consider one again no matter who merges with the brand (and then seperates again a short time later).

They built two poor vehicles and their service was just as bad or worse, therefor my opinion is what it is. Not better or worse than anyone elses. BTW their displacement on demand is a sham as well.

[Cybersavage]

Originally Posted by WolfsburgerMitFries

I called both my local dealers, one was completely clueless, the other was damn near clueless.

Let the bidding begin:

http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2008-...em140187221836