[DFW_M]

Originally Posted by advantage20

Another area where the g8x are way ahead of any other model is the rate of over-caffeinated owners and/or fanboys feeling personally offended over silly memeing

1) I don't drink coffee
2) I do not feel offended as I love its looks and really do not care what others think
3) as I mentioned above -- did not get the M3 for the looks at all
4) Owned a G20 and thought it was the most boring BMW I owned over the last 18 years o BMWs ownerships

[Needsdecaf]

Originally Posted by DFW_M

1) I don't drink coffee
2) I do not feel offended as I love its looks and really do not care what others think
3) as I mentioned above -- did not get the M3 for the looks at all
4) Owned a G20 and thought it was the most boring BMW I owned over the last 18 years o BMWs ownerships

The over caffeinated comment was, I believe, an indirect shot at me for some reason. Maybe? Or maybe I've just had too many coffees this morning....

[Forzanerazzurri]

Originally Posted by ChrisM3

What was the rationale for getting rid of lasers? Changes in regulations? Different countries with different regs etc? Cost cutting?

The lasers are one of the signature elements of the car, they’re just fantastic. I’m keeping my ‘22 manual G80 long term so the LCI doesn’t impact me but I’m curious as to why they’d change them.

There are opportunities for a grille change with the LCI that would look great and differentiate LCI without major retooling.

Cost. And the fact that the latest Matrix LED tech is just as good.

[JTO24]

Originally Posted by dezzracer

But they leave the grills alone. I been buying, building, modifying cars for 35 years. Stock looking grills are one of the least parts to be changed out . It’s a major defining feature of every car. I’m not hating on the G grill. I’ve seen a few that look ok. Mostly black ones tho lol. I like big grills on the right vehicle. ��

Not many people are changing to the ADRO front bumper, though. A lot of folks, myself included, change to the CSL grill or GT-style grill; the shape of the grill openings is the same, but the insert going in is different. I've seen it a million times on other vehicles. Look at the Audi crowd putting RS grills on their base A4/5s... back in the day, Honda owners were putting mesh grills in to replace the stock grill with the Honda emblem. Same with mustang owners. Hell, even with BMWs, I see E9x cars with double slat F8x grills or diamond-like patterns the earlier G20 M340i used to get. None of this is new.

The most comparable car I can think of is the newer-gen V8 vantage where a company came out with an aftermarket front bumper to reduce the size of its grill. Some bought it but it wasn't universally praised either. Same with the G80 and stock vs something like ADRO.

[1209582]

i like how the lci headlights looks so aggressive.

[Tallest]

LMAO they change everything BUT the grilles. This aint E90 days, thats for sure.

[Jamaicalandwelove]

Since u r on your 3rd car I am not convinced this will be your last!!!

[///M TOWN]

Originally Posted by ASAP

That is against German TUV regulations and could result in massive penalties... if there is a power increase it has to be proven... no German company is playing games by fudging numbers since Dieselgate.

Bless all their little hearts

Especially VW’s…

[Chapter2099]

Originally Posted by wtwo3

Everyone is just a bunch of insecure bitches.


Although anecdotally i do see the bitching happen at a far greater frequency towards the new product as opposed to someone getting the new product and then putting down the pre-LCI. My point is, there exists a world where you can appreciate both while still preferring one over the other.

If I could “appreciate” this post a hundred times over, I would.

Whether LCI or pre-LCI, it’s still a G80. They both look sharp to me. I think I’m partial to the pre-LCI headlights at the moment, but I easily see the snake-eye headlights growing on me. (They already are.)

This isn’t a full remodel, so IMO, there’s no polarizing differences. I think they did a great job on the LCI though. Subtle changes, serving the purpose of…an LCI.

Will I cancel my order for it? Absolutely not. I wouldn’t wait a whole year for this, knowing that’s one less year I get with the G80 before the next gen remodel. It’s the same car with different headlights and maybe a tune?

If I was in the market for one NEXT year though, would I want the LCI? Absolutely.

Seize the moment whenever you can especially when the G80 may be the last all-ICE M3. Enjoy it while you can!

[RTC3000]

Originally Posted by ASAP

That is against German TUV regulations and could result in massive penalties... if there is a power increase it has to be proven... no German company is playing games by fudging numbers since Dieselgate.

Not true. Engines can have a power fluctuation up to 5% and nobody will actually care if it is 10% instead, unless the engine exceeds emissions limitations and the advertised speed.
Engine/car is certified for a certain emissions output and a certain speed. Power fluctuations over 5% are acceptable if the certified base engine hasn't been modified and if the software adaptations are within the legal (emissions) limits.

Yes, we all know that those S58 engines in the M3 run pretty well but I have to say that I doubt those claims that the engines produce much more than the 5% I mentioned. Sometimes it is just dyno error.

Those experienced with M3 dyno testing usually see a 20-30 hp power increase compared to what BMW is claiming. This is totally acceptable.

Btw: In Germany, the TÜV is only the authority to verify the cars. The authority to certify the cars is the KBA.

Regarding the laser lights: Apparently it isn't necessary anymore, BMW can achieve the same light "quality" with Matrix LED lights and it is possible to make thinner/smaller front lights without the laser lights.

The more interesting part about the facelift (LCI) should be the weight: Not sure if some of you noticed but the last "minor" facelift made all the 3 series models (with the exception of the M3) heavier (by up to 50 kg). People barely noticed.
I guess BMW is trying to save money...

[Needsdecaf]

Originally Posted by Chapter2099

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Will I cancel my order for it? Absolutely not. I wouldn’t wait a whole year for this, knowing that’s one less year I get with the G80 before the next gen remodel. It’s the same car with different headlights and maybe a tune?

If I was in the market for one NEXT year though, would I want the LCI? Absolutely.

Seize the moment whenever you can especially when the G80 may be the last all-ICE M3. Enjoy it while you can!

I just went through this with my Cayenne. I knew a refresh was coming, it was supposed to be for the 2023 MY and that was perfect timing for us. But supply chain / automotive industry delayed it. And it was very difficult to even get an allocation for a 2023 through the first half of 2022! I pretty much knew what to expect for the '24 refresh but I decided FOMO wasn't strong enough and we were just going to order one when we got an allocation. Porsche did us a favor with the Platinum Edition which bundled a bunch of items we would have 100% ordered anyway and a few exclusive touches like badge colors, special wheel color, etc. which also saved about $2,500 and that was the cherry on top.

As it turns out, seeing the '24 refresh in person, there are some things I like but other things I really don't. They took our interior color away, and while some parts of the interior are an upgrade, some are change for obvious cost cutting. Moreover, only the base models have been able to be delivered, as there are issues with certifying the S (coming this fall, they are sitting at port or on dealer lots) and the Hybrids have been pushed back to January at the latest. So I would have had to wait a year and not been as satisfied.

If you are happy with the current G80, there is nothing in this LCI to really make you wait, IMO. Certainly on the outside. iDrive 8.5 or 9.0, maybe? Who knows.

[Ragged Edge]

Originally Posted by Forzanerazzurri

Definitely a downgrade. Also, why does it look like it has no front lip?

What a stupid comment. You somehow know this is a definite downgrade? Despite the camo? Grow up.

[robopp]

Originally Posted by dezzracer

Never heard of F cars having cooling issues either tho. On the contrary actually…

Uh, my F82 in Palm Springs BMW Performance Center would like a word. The entire car shut down due to thermal issues.

[Forzanerazzurri]

Originally Posted by Ragged Edge

What a stupid comment. You somehow know this is a definite downgrade? Despite the camo? Grow up.

Yeah, this is called a message board on the internet. People are allowed to have opinions, and there will be opinions that you are going to disagree with. I know you're Canadian, but the Stalin crap is getting old.

Don't like it, leave.

[Race_Doc11]

Originally Posted by Forzanerazzurri

Yeah, this is called a message board on the internet. People are allowed to have opinions, and there will be opinions that you are going to disagree with. I know you're Canadian, but the Stalin crap is getting old.

Don't like it, leave.

Well said…may be he works for BMW

[Race_Doc11]

Originally Posted by Ragged Edge

What a stupid comment. You somehow know this is a definite downgrade? Despite the camo? Grow up.

He has the right to say whatever he wants and you don’t have to agree. Actually the only stupid comment is yours.

[masd79]

Originally Posted by wtwo3

Many of us with aspirations graduate to that at some point. I have bucket list cars - M3 was the first... 911 is next

Go to m2 before 911… trust me you might put the base 911 off and go straight to gt3 next

[wtwo3]

Originally Posted by masd79

Go to m2 before 911… trust me you might put the base 911 off and go straight to gt3 next

I'm thinking more GTS territory. It's not so much about what's the best driving car I can get... it's personal bucket list dream cars. I've had 3 since my childhood... m3, 911, a mid engined ferrari. M2 might be a great driving car, but it's not a dream of mine.

[masd79]

Originally Posted by wtwo3

I'm thinking more GTS territory. It's not so much about what's the best driving car I can get... it's personal bucket list dream cars. I've had 3 since my childhood... m3, 911, a mid engined ferrari. M2 might be a great driving car, but it's not a dream of mine.

Agree.. I have a gts on on order but I only have one bucket list car and that is gt3rs…

[Ragged Edge]

Originally Posted by Forzanerazzurri

Yeah, this is called a message board on the internet. People are allowed to have opinions, and there will be opinions that you are going to disagree with. I know you're Canadian, but the Stalin crap is getting old.

Don't like it, leave.

Hahaha! pretty thin skin.

[Gfit]

11 pages of debating something we really haven’t even seen yet. Only in disguise.

[AhsanU]

It looks like it's the first prototype so things will likely change.. hopefully we see some new tail lights.